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Prosecutorial misconduct like that should be punished severely -- there needs to be accountability for destroying other people's lives.

avs733 6y ago
This seems like a valid use of mandatory minimums to me. State actors should be subject to mandatory minimum life sentences for violating the rights of the public.
- ccsnags 6y ago
  I’ve always been a proponent of state actors being held to a higher standard like how the UCMJ is an additional judicial code that members of the military have to follow as well as the normal laws.
- bobmaxup 6y ago
  Isn't life in prison practically taking someone else's life? Would you even need that strong of an incentive to reduce the occurrence?
  - avs733 6y ago
    Punishment does not work as a deterrent. I propose this as a demonstration by the system that it is willing to respond to violations of the rules by the system. Such violations are inherently more problematic.
    - bobmaxup 6y ago
      > Punishment does not work as a deterrent. Why not?
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spiritplumber 6y ago
Prosecutorial misconduct like that should be punished by garnishing the perp's wages to help pay for the giant wad of cash that the state must hand over to the victim in abject apology.
- gentleman11 6y ago
  The prosecution should have to serve the same time their victim did
  - Viliam1234 6y ago
    They should be charged with kidnapping the victim, as a part of an organized group. The laws already exists, we only need to start applying them consistently to all kinds of criminals.
apazzolini 6y ago
IMO the only fair solution is their own incarceration for the equal number of days, but the only real consequence will be a slap on the wrist. Notable cunt Annie Dookhan[0] is responsible for putting up to 40,000 innocent people in jail by falsifying DNA records for the Massachusetts state AG. Over 21,000 cases have already been dropped. Her punishment? 3 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan
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- suifbwish 6y ago
  This sort of thing doesn’t deserve justice because she actively undermined it. She needs to be sent to the prison with the most prisoners she put away and thrown in with the general population. No need to worry about whether it’s a male or female prison.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  I think defendants should be compensated for fees and other damages for any level of failed prosecution, especially if they end up wrongfully incarcerated. If abusing the justice system has to come out of the budget, I think most of the incentives to do so will start to disappear.
  - bobmaxup 6y ago
    What does 21 years of missed opportunity cost?
    - AmericanChopper 6y ago
      You would hope, a lot. There’s plenty of types of damage that can’t be repaired by money, but it’s generally how the courts choose to settle damages between parties. If one party illegally were to cause a comparable level of damage to another party, the damaged party would likely be entitled to a rather large amount of compensation for those damages. The fact that the government sees itself as above that level of accountability seems to be a significant part of the problem to me.
publicola1990 6y ago
Rather better than that, can the government be sued for damages for wrongful imprisonment?
- kevingadd 6y ago
  Sometimes the government does pay out for wrongful imprisonment, but it's always insultingly low numbers, in the range of a couple thousand usd per year. And in many cases prisoners are Monetized with the for-profit prison operator and their vendors collecting exorbitant fees for basic things.
- pstuart 6y ago
  That doesn't address the aspect of "skin in the game". If the government pays out over your misconduct, why should you care?
  - psd1 6y ago
    I'll have a crack: You are a bad cop, and you expose the government to liability. After a few such liabilities, the government makes it clear to your chief that this will affect his (or her) budget. Your buddy officers, with their pensions threatened, confront you in the locker room. Or perhaps your department takes out insurance, and the premiums are high and rising. Buddy officers etc. "I'm sorry Binks, but there's no money for CoL this year with this wrongful conviction thing." I'm just speculating. If the government insists against visiting the negatives on the culprit law enforcement agency, then it's the citizens who suffer instead. But I think that the costs would eventually exert influence on the problem children.
sneak 6y ago
There needs to be, but there generally isn't, and it's by design. Law enforcement in the US is generally above the law, most of the time. Most efforts to fix this are denounced as being pro-criminal or anti-cop or some tired variation on the same. If you know of any good ways to change this system that don't involve violence, I would love to hear them and participate.

avs733 6y ago

This seems like a valid use of mandatory minimums to me. State actors should be subject to mandatory minimum life sentences for violating the rights of the public.

ccsnags 6y ago
I’ve always been a proponent of state actors being held to a higher standard like how the UCMJ is an additional judicial code that members of the military have to follow as well as the normal laws.
bobmaxup 6y ago
Isn't life in prison practically taking someone else's life? Would you even need that strong of an incentive to reduce the occurrence?
- avs733 6y ago
  Punishment does not work as a deterrent. I propose this as a demonstration by the system that it is willing to respond to violations of the rules by the system. Such violations are inherently more problematic.
  - bobmaxup 6y ago
    > Punishment does not work as a deterrent. Why not?
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spiritplumber 6y ago

Prosecutorial misconduct like that should be punished by garnishing the perp's wages to help pay for the giant wad of cash that the state must hand over to the victim in abject apology.

gentleman11 6y ago
The prosecution should have to serve the same time their victim did
- Viliam1234 6y ago
  They should be charged with kidnapping the victim, as a part of an organized group. The laws already exists, we only need to start applying them consistently to all kinds of criminals.

apazzolini 6y ago

IMO the only fair solution is their own incarceration for the equal number of days, but the only real consequence will be a slap on the wrist. Notable cunt Annie Dookhan[0] is responsible for putting up to 40,000 innocent people in jail by falsifying DNA records for the Massachusetts state AG. Over 21,000 cases have already been dropped. Her punishment? 3 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan

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suifbwish 6y ago
This sort of thing doesn’t deserve justice because she actively undermined it. She needs to be sent to the prison with the most prisoners she put away and thrown in with the general population. No need to worry about whether it’s a male or female prison.
AmericanChopper 6y ago
I think defendants should be compensated for fees and other damages for any level of failed prosecution, especially if they end up wrongfully incarcerated. If abusing the justice system has to come out of the budget, I think most of the incentives to do so will start to disappear.
- bobmaxup 6y ago
  What does 21 years of missed opportunity cost?
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    You would hope, a lot. There’s plenty of types of damage that can’t be repaired by money, but it’s generally how the courts choose to settle damages between parties. If one party illegally were to cause a comparable level of damage to another party, the damaged party would likely be entitled to a rather large amount of compensation for those damages. The fact that the government sees itself as above that level of accountability seems to be a significant part of the problem to me.

publicola1990 6y ago

Rather better than that, can the government be sued for damages for wrongful imprisonment?

kevingadd 6y ago
Sometimes the government does pay out for wrongful imprisonment, but it's always insultingly low numbers, in the range of a couple thousand usd per year. And in many cases prisoners are Monetized with the for-profit prison operator and their vendors collecting exorbitant fees for basic things.
pstuart 6y ago
That doesn't address the aspect of "skin in the game". If the government pays out over your misconduct, why should you care?
- psd1 6y ago
  I'll have a crack: You are a bad cop, and you expose the government to liability. After a few such liabilities, the government makes it clear to your chief that this will affect his (or her) budget. Your buddy officers, with their pensions threatened, confront you in the locker room. Or perhaps your department takes out insurance, and the premiums are high and rising. Buddy officers etc. "I'm sorry Binks, but there's no money for CoL this year with this wrongful conviction thing." I'm just speculating. If the government insists against visiting the negatives on the culprit law enforcement agency, then it's the citizens who suffer instead. But I think that the costs would eventually exert influence on the problem children.

sneak 6y ago

There needs to be, but there generally isn't, and it's by design. Law enforcement in the US is generally above the law, most of the time. Most efforts to fix this are denounced as being pro-criminal or anti-cop or some tired variation on the same. If you know of any good ways to change this system that don't involve violence, I would love to hear them and participate.