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Is it? Their ethics committee approved the research, and yet I see no acknowledgement of their responsibility.

• macintux 6y ago
  The story just broke. We don’t know what the IRB saw, we don’t know what they said. Throwing anyone under the bus before there any time to even start asking questions is not what any smart administration should do.
  • dleslie 6y ago
    We know that they approved the research.
    • remarkEon 6y ago
      I think it’s more accurate to say that “we know that they approved something. Whether or not that something turns out to be exactly that this professor and his student did here is I gather a different question.
      • tytso 6y ago
        The "hypocrite commit" preprint/abstract was a controversy which broke late last year. Prof. Lu at that point published an FAQ stating that he didn't think it was Human Subject Research (HSR) and got a post hoc review from the UMN IRB giving him a free pass, agreeing that attempting to con humans is apparently not HSR by their lights. This is three month old news at this point, and is quite well established. What triggered the ban now is another set of suspicious commits was sent by a graduate student in the same research group.
        • remarkEon 6y ago
          Thanks, I didn't know that background (shame on me for not reading through all the history I guess). Odd decisions appear to have been made here by all parties. Though I was born in Iowa, I grew up in Minnesota and have a lot of friends who went there (Twin Cities campus, mostly). Definitely not "Minnesota Nice".