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I remember the same exact thing being said about Wuhan. That urns were completely sold out, that the gov't was covering it up, just terrible. To date China insi

I remember the same exact thing being said about Wuhan. That urns were completely sold out, that the gov't was covering it up, just terrible. To date China insists less than 5,000 people died of Covid, though and all of that was conspiracy talk.

Tarsul 5y ago
If China hadn't tried to put it under the rug, Italy/Europe wouldn't have been so underprepaired (well it also would've helped if the US would have played its usual part as a world leader). But I'm digressing... all the talk about our bad past doesn't alleviate the mistakes we still do today. Those are the most shameful even, where we have so much knowledge about the virus and still take the wrong turns all the time.
- zhdc1 5y ago
  Also keep in mind that most East/South East Asian countries had been preparing for a COVID-like event since SARS in 2003. Sixteen years of preparation, and everything that goes into it, paid off.
  - vram22 5y ago
    The prep of setting up a pandemic task force that the previous US admin did was axed by Bumf.
    - vram22 5y ago
      Thereby probably contributing to / enabling many more tens of thousands of US COVID deaths and the same for suffering, than there need have ever been.
    - vram22 5y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0...
    - vram22 5y ago
      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/trump-fired-pand...
zhdc1 5y ago
A lot of this also had to do with the Chinese going all in with their lockdown effort, which made it look like the situation was significantly worse than it actually was (it was bad, but some of the rumors going around at the time made it sound apocalyptic).
vmception 5y ago
Crematorium's in Los Angeles had to get the smog pollution limit lifted so they could cremate more https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/19/958354466/cremation-limits-lifted-in-la-due-to-backlog-as-covid-19-deaths-skyrocket https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... so this suggests that its not conspiracy talk as all forms of governing systems around the world experienced the exact same issues all forms of governing systems had bad data, intentionally hidden data, and inadequate forms of transparency depending on whether the person trusted that institution or whether that person was skeptical of that institution
- MaxDPS 5y ago
  The difference being that reported deaths in Los Angeles county up ‘till now are about 20,000.
flukus 5y ago
I don't believe the CCPs exact figures, but they locked down hard and fast to eliminate the virus and had very extreme contact tracing and wore masks. The results are in line with liberal democracies have achieved with the same mitigations.

Tarsul 5y ago

If China hadn't tried to put it under the rug, Italy/Europe wouldn't have been so underprepaired (well it also would've helped if the US would have played its usual part as a world leader). But I'm digressing... all the talk about our bad past doesn't alleviate the mistakes we still do today. Those are the most shameful even, where we have so much knowledge about the virus and still take the wrong turns all the time.

zhdc1 5y ago
Also keep in mind that most East/South East Asian countries had been preparing for a COVID-like event since SARS in 2003. Sixteen years of preparation, and everything that goes into it, paid off.
- vram22 5y ago
  The prep of setting up a pandemic task force that the previous US admin did was axed by Bumf.
  - vram22 5y ago
    Thereby probably contributing to / enabling many more tens of thousands of US COVID deaths and the same for suffering, than there need have ever been.
  - vram22 5y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0...
  - vram22 5y ago
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/trump-fired-pand...

zhdc1 5y ago

A lot of this also had to do with the Chinese going all in with their lockdown effort, which made it look like the situation was significantly worse than it actually was (it was bad, but some of the rumors going around at the time made it sound apocalyptic).

vmception 5y ago

Crematorium's in Los Angeles had to get the smog pollution limit lifted so they could cremate more https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/19/958354466/cremation-limits-lifted-in-la-due-to-backlog-as-covid-19-deaths-skyrocket https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... so this suggests that its not conspiracy talk as all forms of governing systems around the world experienced the exact same issues all forms of governing systems had bad data, intentionally hidden data, and inadequate forms of transparency depending on whether the person trusted that institution or whether that person was skeptical of that institution

MaxDPS 5y ago
The difference being that reported deaths in Los Angeles county up ‘till now are about 20,000.

flukus 5y ago

I don't believe the CCPs exact figures, but they locked down hard and fast to eliminate the virus and had very extreme contact tracing and wore masks. The results are in line with liberal democracies have achieved with the same mitigations.