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To be fair there is a balance on preservation and development. Development run amok in the city is pretty bad while underinvestment also creates some strange p

To be fair there is a balance on preservation and development. Development run amok in the city is pretty bad while underinvestment also creates some strange pressures.

vkou 6y ago
> Development run amok in the city is pretty bad Legitimate question: Do you have any examples of 'development running amok' ruining a city (or life for a significant part of a city's residents), that did not involve mind-blowing amounts of corruption? It may be that I just don't have a proper understanding of what development running amok would hypothetically look like, because I can't even really envision it. What would it look like?
- carabiner 6y ago
  SF preservations say they don't want their city turning into Hong Kong. So it's not objectively "ruined," just radically different from its current state. They are essentially conservative.
  - vkou 6y ago
    They might not personally like it, which is a personal preference, but I wouldn't describe Hong Kong as 'pretty bad', which is a value judgement. By most metrics, Hong Kong is a much more livable than just about anywhere in the United States.
    - carabiner 6y ago
      Wouldn't go that far. HK has people living in cages: https://allthatsinteresting.com/cage-homes-hong-kong https://allthatsinteresting.com/cage-homes-hong-kong
    - boringg 6y ago
      I support HK in their freedom but yeah not sure I believe your statement about more livable than anywhere in the US (which is a highly subjective statement). It also sounds like you have never been to the US.
- boringg 6y ago
  Couple examples: Development run amok would be the city green lighting every project that comes through and/or some degree of corruption in the process. Poorly constructed high density buildings in the middle of a city - in which the developer takes a large profit and squeezes all the tenants. Running highways through public land value another. Suburban sprawl hollows out the core of cities and increases the carbon foot print significantly.
  - carabiner 6y ago
    I think he meant named places where this has happened with a large impact, not general scenarios.
- xtiansimon 6y ago
  My town is gambling on a number of developments, - 16 M Ferry Building; ferry commute to Manhattan - Luxury condos on the water - condos downtown above new (unoccupied) business spaces Meanwhile: - stalled condos next to housing projects - vacant downtown office spaces - local side streets are badly maintained - rent prices are looking bananas; home prices I dunno. - commute to Manhattan is slow on LIRR train (1h 10-20m) direct. Direct runs only once in the morning and once in the evening (otherwise it’s a transfer adding up to 15 minutes). - LIRR is expensive ($300/mo) and ferry is supposed to be more expensive, but not faster https://www.liherald.com/stories/glen-cove-moves-ahead-with-ferry-service,121925 https://www.liherald.com/stories/glen-cove-moves-ahead-with-... https://thebeacongp.com/ https://thebeacongp.com/ https://villagesquareny.com https://villagesquareny.com

To be fair there is a balance on preservation and development. Development run amok in the city is pretty bad while underinvestment also creates some strange pressures.

vkou 6y ago

> Development run amok in the city is pretty bad Legitimate question: Do you have any examples of 'development running amok' ruining a city (or life for a significant part of a city's residents), that did not involve mind-blowing amounts of corruption? It may be that I just don't have a proper understanding of what development running amok would hypothetically look like, because I can't even really envision it. What would it look like?

carabiner 6y ago
SF preservations say they don't want their city turning into Hong Kong. So it's not objectively "ruined," just radically different from its current state. They are essentially conservative.
- vkou 6y ago
  They might not personally like it, which is a personal preference, but I wouldn't describe Hong Kong as 'pretty bad', which is a value judgement. By most metrics, Hong Kong is a much more livable than just about anywhere in the United States.
  - carabiner 6y ago
    Wouldn't go that far. HK has people living in cages: https://allthatsinteresting.com/cage-homes-hong-kong https://allthatsinteresting.com/cage-homes-hong-kong
  - boringg 6y ago
    I support HK in their freedom but yeah not sure I believe your statement about more livable than anywhere in the US (which is a highly subjective statement). It also sounds like you have never been to the US.
boringg 6y ago
Couple examples: Development run amok would be the city green lighting every project that comes through and/or some degree of corruption in the process. Poorly constructed high density buildings in the middle of a city - in which the developer takes a large profit and squeezes all the tenants. Running highways through public land value another. Suburban sprawl hollows out the core of cities and increases the carbon foot print significantly.
- carabiner 6y ago
  I think he meant named places where this has happened with a large impact, not general scenarios.
xtiansimon 6y ago
My town is gambling on a number of developments, - 16 M Ferry Building; ferry commute to Manhattan - Luxury condos on the water - condos downtown above new (unoccupied) business spaces Meanwhile: - stalled condos next to housing projects - vacant downtown office spaces - local side streets are badly maintained - rent prices are looking bananas; home prices I dunno. - commute to Manhattan is slow on LIRR train (1h 10-20m) direct. Direct runs only once in the morning and once in the evening (otherwise it’s a transfer adding up to 15 minutes). - LIRR is expensive ($300/mo) and ferry is supposed to be more expensive, but not faster https://www.liherald.com/stories/glen-cove-moves-ahead-with-ferry-service,121925 https://www.liherald.com/stories/glen-cove-moves-ahead-with-... https://thebeacongp.com/ https://thebeacongp.com/ https://villagesquareny.com https://villagesquareny.com