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Sooooo idk about this stuff but isn't starting to pay the rent before you have permission a bit questionable?

by Quarrelsome 6y ago

parineum 6y ago
I imagine it'd be hard to get a permit to open up a shop at a property you don't own/rent.
- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  right but this dude has basically hired a place for a year to do something he isn't allowed to do. Are we looking for reforms that would allow one to apply for a place you don't currently own to avoid this glum state of affairs?
  - fredophile 6y ago
    You'd apply for permits on a place you aren't renting just in the hopes that its still vacant and available when you get the permit?
  - parineum 6y ago
    That creates an entirely different set of problems though. You'd have to predict a space that was opening to apply for the permit. Then "local" businesses can object so you couldn't just get a blanket permit, it'd have to be for the specific place, so you just have to wait around until that storefront is vacant? If you start while it's vacant, it'd be pretty terrible if you went through the whole process only to have someone else beat you to it. If you only allow one process at a time, you're stopping the property owner from collecting rent during that process. Any regulatory process that takes time shifts some cost onto someone.
  - eklitzke 6y ago
    There is Prop H which recently passed which seeks to expedite the process of opening a business in SF when it goes through the planning council phase. I don't think it's realistic to allow people to get permitting when they don't have an address yet for the business, since the precise business location is needed to assess the business application.
NullPrefix 6y ago
The building will be rented out to some other business by the time you get the permits and you will have to reapply for all new permits for the building next door.
- Spivak 6y ago
  If it really takes that long to get permits then why isn't the other business delayed by the same amount of time?
  - username90 6y ago
    The other business will rent it during the period with deeper pockets than you have.

Sooooo idk about this stuff but isn't starting to pay the rent before you have permission a bit questionable?

parineum 6y ago

I imagine it'd be hard to get a permit to open up a shop at a property you don't own/rent.

Quarrelsome 6y ago
right but this dude has basically hired a place for a year to do something he isn't allowed to do. Are we looking for reforms that would allow one to apply for a place you don't currently own to avoid this glum state of affairs?
- fredophile 6y ago
  You'd apply for permits on a place you aren't renting just in the hopes that its still vacant and available when you get the permit?
- parineum 6y ago
  That creates an entirely different set of problems though. You'd have to predict a space that was opening to apply for the permit. Then "local" businesses can object so you couldn't just get a blanket permit, it'd have to be for the specific place, so you just have to wait around until that storefront is vacant? If you start while it's vacant, it'd be pretty terrible if you went through the whole process only to have someone else beat you to it. If you only allow one process at a time, you're stopping the property owner from collecting rent during that process. Any regulatory process that takes time shifts some cost onto someone.
- eklitzke 6y ago
  There is Prop H which recently passed which seeks to expedite the process of opening a business in SF when it goes through the planning council phase. I don't think it's realistic to allow people to get permitting when they don't have an address yet for the business, since the precise business location is needed to assess the business application.

NullPrefix 6y ago

The building will be rented out to some other business by the time you get the permits and you will have to reapply for all new permits for the building next door.

Spivak 6y ago
If it really takes that long to get permits then why isn't the other business delayed by the same amount of time?
- username90 6y ago
  The other business will rent it during the period with deeper pockets than you have.