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>Producing neutrinos to carry off spin would violate conservation of lepton number. You need to create a lepton pair, Yes you need a neutrino/antineutrino pair

>Producing neutrinos to carry off spin would violate conservation of lepton number. You need to create a lepton pair, Yes you need a neutrino/antineutrino pair. I don't see what is being violated. >This is not what we see. Stars burn hydrogen by two different methods No such observation has been made. >why don't any of those powers who discovered those nuclear secrets anyways like Russia or North Korea have working fusion reactors? They also don't want to reveal how these weapons work.

azernik 5y ago
We observe this process by noting the over-abundance of nuclides with masses that are a multiple of four.
jjk166 5y ago
You can't just get a neutrino/antineutrino pair, you need to first create a z0 boson to decay into a neutrino/antineutrino pair, and due to the Z0's high mass this is a prohibitively rare occurrence at the temperatures of stellar cores. Neutrino pair emission can only happen during the extremely high temperatures of a stellar core collapse. The observation has been made. We can use emission spectra to look at the composition of stars, we can detect neutrinos given off by the stellar fusion processes and measure their energies. Do not mistake ignorance of the data for lack of data. So if everyone from Washington to Pyongyang is in on the conspiracy, exactly who are they trying to keep these details a secret from?
- Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
  You can see the emission spectra near the "surface",you cannot see what's inside. Still, plenty of lead heavy stars have been detected. >exactly who are they trying to keep these details a secret from? Pretty much everyone. There are not that many countries with thermonuclear weapons (Pyongyang doesn't have one) and you don't want e.g. ISIS make a clandestine 10Mt bomb.
  - jjk166 5y ago
    Convection currents mix the star's material together over long time scales. And neutrinos allow us to peer directly into the core in real time. The most lead rich stars ever detected are less than 0.000000000000005% lead by mass. Stars are formed from stellar nebulae which are the remnants of supernovae that create heavy elements - except for the very first stars in the universe all of them contain heavy elements. As a star ages and its temperature changes, it can bleed off some material, which will preferentially remove lighter elements (because it takes less energy for them to escape), leaving behind an increased concentration of the heavy elements. Anyone who conducted even rudimentary nuclear experiments would be able to identify if the most basic tenets of quantum mechanics were a lie. Maintaining the ruse would require pretty much all the physicists in the world to be in on it. And if all the physicists are in on it, who exactly that is not in on it would be building these thermonuclear weapons? No, the basic physics of thermonuclear weapons are well known, but the engineering is incredibly difficult and resource intensive. You get a nickel-63 if a nickel-62 captures a neutron. You can't get a positron/neutrino pair directly, you get a w+ boson which will decay into a positron/neutrino pair, but that w+ boson, like the z0 boson in the other case, is prohibitively heavy so this reaction doesn't take place. If you want, you can think of the 62Ni(p,2n)61Cu as a Nickel-62 fusing with a hydrogen to produce an excited state of Copper-63 which then immediately decays by double neutron emission to Copper-61, but the fact is the end product being Copper-61 is observed reality, and any model that doesn't predict its production is at best an elegant fiction.
    - Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
      >You can't get a positron/neutrino pair directly, you get a w+ boson which will decay into a positron/neutrino pair, but that w+ boson, like the z0 boson in the other case, is prohibitively heavy so this reaction doesn't take place. Good. So you agree that p+p fusion into deuterium cannot occur? >Maintaining the ruse would require pretty much all the physicists in the world to be in on it. Any time anyone figures out they get shut down as described in the article. >the basic physics of thermonuclear weapons are well known, but the engineering is incredibly difficult and resource intensive. They figured making false principles well known would make keeping the real mechanism secret easier.
- Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
  OK, so you'd get nickel-63(+positron and neutrino) which then decays into copper-63.

azernik 5y ago

We observe this process by noting the over-abundance of nuclides with masses that are a multiple of four.

jjk166 5y ago

You can't just get a neutrino/antineutrino pair, you need to first create a z0 boson to decay into a neutrino/antineutrino pair, and due to the Z0's high mass this is a prohibitively rare occurrence at the temperatures of stellar cores. Neutrino pair emission can only happen during the extremely high temperatures of a stellar core collapse. The observation has been made. We can use emission spectra to look at the composition of stars, we can detect neutrinos given off by the stellar fusion processes and measure their energies. Do not mistake ignorance of the data for lack of data. So if everyone from Washington to Pyongyang is in on the conspiracy, exactly who are they trying to keep these details a secret from?

Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
You can see the emission spectra near the "surface",you cannot see what's inside. Still, plenty of lead heavy stars have been detected. >exactly who are they trying to keep these details a secret from? Pretty much everyone. There are not that many countries with thermonuclear weapons (Pyongyang doesn't have one) and you don't want e.g. ISIS make a clandestine 10Mt bomb.
- jjk166 5y ago
  Convection currents mix the star's material together over long time scales. And neutrinos allow us to peer directly into the core in real time. The most lead rich stars ever detected are less than 0.000000000000005% lead by mass. Stars are formed from stellar nebulae which are the remnants of supernovae that create heavy elements - except for the very first stars in the universe all of them contain heavy elements. As a star ages and its temperature changes, it can bleed off some material, which will preferentially remove lighter elements (because it takes less energy for them to escape), leaving behind an increased concentration of the heavy elements. Anyone who conducted even rudimentary nuclear experiments would be able to identify if the most basic tenets of quantum mechanics were a lie. Maintaining the ruse would require pretty much all the physicists in the world to be in on it. And if all the physicists are in on it, who exactly that is not in on it would be building these thermonuclear weapons? No, the basic physics of thermonuclear weapons are well known, but the engineering is incredibly difficult and resource intensive. You get a nickel-63 if a nickel-62 captures a neutron. You can't get a positron/neutrino pair directly, you get a w+ boson which will decay into a positron/neutrino pair, but that w+ boson, like the z0 boson in the other case, is prohibitively heavy so this reaction doesn't take place. If you want, you can think of the 62Ni(p,2n)61Cu as a Nickel-62 fusing with a hydrogen to produce an excited state of Copper-63 which then immediately decays by double neutron emission to Copper-61, but the fact is the end product being Copper-61 is observed reality, and any model that doesn't predict its production is at best an elegant fiction.
  - Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
    >You can't get a positron/neutrino pair directly, you get a w+ boson which will decay into a positron/neutrino pair, but that w+ boson, like the z0 boson in the other case, is prohibitively heavy so this reaction doesn't take place. Good. So you agree that p+p fusion into deuterium cannot occur? >Maintaining the ruse would require pretty much all the physicists in the world to be in on it. Any time anyone figures out they get shut down as described in the article. >the basic physics of thermonuclear weapons are well known, but the engineering is incredibly difficult and resource intensive. They figured making false principles well known would make keeping the real mechanism secret easier.
Gauge_Irrahphe 5y ago
OK, so you'd get nickel-63(+positron and neutrino) which then decays into copper-63.