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They have a lot of freedom 100 miles inside the border, and pretty much all of Florida is covered by this 100 mile non-sense and probably at least half of Calif

They have a lot of freedom 100 miles inside the border, and pretty much all of Florida is covered by this 100 mile non-sense and probably at least half of California: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/ https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/

jcranmer 6y ago
FWIW, that map isn't accurate. The border starts from the boundary of international waters, not the coastline itself, which cuts out a few areas (most notably Chicago and DC, as Lake Michigan and the Chesapeake Bay are no longer the starting point). (I haven't seen the ACLU provide any legal citation to the claim that it starts from the coastline.)
- coliveira 6y ago
  This is not the interpretation given by enforcement agencies, it seems: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-who-lives-in-border-patrol-s-100-mile-zone https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-w... Maybe what you say was the origina intent, but we know how the enforcement agencies love to reinterpret the laws to their advantage.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    I looked into the case a touch more (see https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6106095/michigan-immigrant-rights-center-v-department-of-homeland-security/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6106095/michigan-immigr...). The key relevance I see is https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.316027/gov.uscourts.mied.316027.19.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.316027... (which includes the CBP's response to the allegations of the 100-mile border being counted from the coastline), where the CBP sort of denies that this is the case. It also sort of doesn't deny it, but this can very easily be a case of "we don't want to stake out a position in legal documents if we don't have to" (which is not an unreasonable thing for a lawyer to do whether the ACLU's claim is right or wrong).
    - coliveira 6y ago
      I'm pretty sure the ACLU wouldn't invent a case regarding border laws if they're not being used to persecute people. You seem to be asking the ACLU to prove that the law is correct as a prerequisite to fight against abuses of this law.
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- zrail 6y ago
  Page 10 of this PDF from the Congressional Research Service has an updated map that shows what the parent commenter is talking about: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46601 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46601

jcranmer 6y ago

FWIW, that map isn't accurate. The border starts from the boundary of international waters, not the coastline itself, which cuts out a few areas (most notably Chicago and DC, as Lake Michigan and the Chesapeake Bay are no longer the starting point). (I haven't seen the ACLU provide any legal citation to the claim that it starts from the coastline.)

coliveira 6y ago
This is not the interpretation given by enforcement agencies, it seems: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-who-lives-in-border-patrol-s-100-mile-zone https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/mapping-w... Maybe what you say was the origina intent, but we know how the enforcement agencies love to reinterpret the laws to their advantage.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  I looked into the case a touch more (see https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6106095/michigan-immigrant-rights-center-v-department-of-homeland-security/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6106095/michigan-immigr...). The key relevance I see is https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.316027/gov.uscourts.mied.316027.19.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.316027... (which includes the CBP's response to the allegations of the 100-mile border being counted from the coastline), where the CBP sort of denies that this is the case. It also sort of doesn't deny it, but this can very easily be a case of "we don't want to stake out a position in legal documents if we don't have to" (which is not an unreasonable thing for a lawyer to do whether the ACLU's claim is right or wrong).
  - coliveira 6y ago
    I'm pretty sure the ACLU wouldn't invent a case regarding border laws if they're not being used to persecute people. You seem to be asking the ACLU to prove that the law is correct as a prerequisite to fight against abuses of this law.
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zrail 6y ago
Page 10 of this PDF from the Congressional Research Service has an updated map that shows what the parent commenter is talking about: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46601 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46601