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> Renewable power generation from wind and solar has a much higher ratio of wasted power because they have such high variability in output. Because of this, in
by stopBurncoins 5y ago
> Renewable power generation from wind and solar has a much higher ratio of wasted power because they have such high variability in output. Because of this, in cases where the power generally can't be cost effectively stored or supplemented (by dynamic increase of dirtier energy), wind and solar simply won't be built in favor of coal plants. Bitcoin mining can use this wasted energy, which increases the revenue that can be generated by renewable sources, thus making it more likely that areas will choose renewable over coal.
So you think that cities will just put up with the increasing power outages, until the miners will give up in that region? That the normal public won't form a mob asking for more power in the night, which will attract more miners, thus making the whole point moot?
That looks like a weird gamble to make
> Bitcoin mining is a fixed quantity: so the more mining done using renewable energy, the less will be done with coal power (so when SamBam mocked this paper by saying "If we double the amount of electricity used on the planet, people will need to spend more on solar panels!" He completely didn't understand the zero sum aspect of bitcoin mining).
no, bitcoin has a fixed max of coin, but we already are at the point where the only limit is how to get the hardware to mine. There is no limit on mining.
Sure, it will shift more towards cheap power. But that needs to be also continuous. So bitcoin will drive the adoption of more continuous power, because if you do not do it, cities power will be a collateral damage more and more often.
> In fact, this has a more pronounced effect because players in the market who aren't as efficient can see their margins decrease below the point of profitablity. Since otherwise wasted electricity is cheapest, more and more bitcoin mining will be done using it, which means less and less will be done using usable electricity.
All this talk about using "waste" electricity is only relevant if your system never goes above max usage, thus causing power outages. That is already not true, and it's not like the power companies allocate only the "waste" electricity to bitcoin. Nobody stops mining when the power plant is near capacity. You just generate more pressure to add more power plants that give continuous power (so: not solar).
We have "waste" electricity because the system is designed to handle peaks and other plants going down.
Mining is eating away all the safety margin on the system. the more there is, the more it will eat
- billytetrud 5y ago> you think that cities will just put up with the increasing power outages I have no idea how that relates to anything I have said. Nothing I'm suggesting would lead to power outages... > There is no limit on mining. That's patently false. The limit on bitcoin mining is the amount of money that can be earned by mining. That is currently around 7.5 btc per block. That is the limit. Miners don't mine for a loss. > Nobody stops mining when the power plant is near capacity. You're simply not correct. There's even people who only mine for the purpose of generating cheap heat: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coindesk.com/mining-bitcoin-heat-strawberries-chickens%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coindesk.com/mining-bitcoin... Please do more research if you're gonna discuss this with people. Or read the damn paper the OP posted.
- smolder 5y agoNo one mines specifically to make heat, they get heat as a bonus from computing in cold climates, which was always true. If we're going to do that, I propose we heat our houses with seti@home or folding@home. It would be more useful.
- billytetrud 5y agoBitcoin stands to be one of the most useful pieces of technology since the internet. It has the potential to take the power to abuse money out of the hands of governments and central banks. The inquality caused by central banks in this world is attrocioius - a tragedy of epic proportions. Bitcoin can prevent this from happening again. But right.. maybe the search for aliens is more important.. how could I have been so short sighted.
- kreetx 5y agoIf you have a choice between a radiator and a miner, then you do mine to make the heat. The added btc (or any other) is a bounus which perhaps helps to cover the electricity. Since the bulk of mining is done in specialized facilities then home-mining can be about heat (plus tinkering/hobby).
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