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What does it matter? The information on the laptop is still subject to all the normal procedures of journalism: follow-up, look for corroboration, seek confirma

by Tycho 6y ago

What does it matter? The information on the laptop is still subject to all the normal procedures of journalism: follow-up, look for corroboration, seek confirmation, ask questions, look for evidence tampering, and so on. Instead, the story was buried and ignored. It boggles my mind that anyone could defend this as proper behaviour by the press.

arp242 6y ago
> The information on the laptop is still subject to all the normal procedures of journalism: follow-up, look for corroboration, seek confirmation, ask questions And The New York Post did none of this. There are plenty of other articles written by about it by almost every news outlet[1]; it was never "buried". The difference was they treated the suspicious weird story as exactly that, instead of immediately rushing to conclusions. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop
- Tycho 6y ago
  The laptop is/was real. Are you actually maintaining that it is fake?
  - barbacoa 6y ago
    We live in a world of subjective truths. "Hunter Biden laptop is fake" is to the left what "wide spread voter fraud" is to the right. People are too emotionally invested to have adult conversation on these topics.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      There is ample evidence of a fair election I have seen zero verification that the laptop belonged to hunter Biden in the first place and a lot of reasons to believe that the story is largely fabricated. Specifically its entirely sure that the laptop exists. It's possible it contains some actual stolen data in the same way that a lot of celebrities nudes are now out there due to a vulnerability in icloud. Its not clear to ME that the physical device ever belonged to Hunter Biden or that it contains anything like what they claim it contains. The single source of truth is massively tainted because the source is a lying scumbag with zero integrity. If you conclude otherwise I conclude its because its the answer you wish were true.
      - barbacoa 6y ago
        >If you conclude otherwise I conclude its because its the answer you wish were true. Confession through projection.
      - Tycho 6y ago
        You are totally missing the forest for the trees. Is there a single piece of information or revelation from the “laptop” that has been disputed, denied, or debunked? No. More importantly, have the mainstream American press managed to get the Bidens to address any of the insinuations stemming from materials? They haven’t even tried: they’ve decided to settle for whatever generic comment the Bidens put out through their press agents.
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        The story is unproven nonsense. The burden of proof lies with the accuser and it has never been met in the first place.
        jb775 6y ago
        That doesn't really apply when theres a bunch of dick pics on an ACTUAL COMPUTER EVERYONE REFUSES TO LOOK AT. Jesus just check the saved wifi network passwords....if Hunter Biden's house network is saved on it, safe to say it's his laptop. Instead ppl like you unintelligently refer to it as "unproven nonsense" and bury your head in the sand.
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        I don't have access to the computer nor the raw data. I was underwhelmed by the original news article and never saw anything that changed my mind thereafter. I'm not refusing too look at a computer nobody has access to. Maybe they ought to have leaked the raw data for me to look at.
      - jb775 6y ago
        Zero verification minus the dozens of Hunter Biden dick pics and pics of him around drugs or whatever. Could easily scrape metadata to figure out if it was def his laptop or not. Macs send data to their servers whenever an application is open...and also probably have location data on the specific device ID. Could simply cross reference that with the location of Bidens house. Or even look at the wifi connections....does it have the password saved for Hunter Biden's home wifi? Simple stuff to find some answers but the truth is you want to believe it's a conspiracy theory so you will instead bury your head in the sand and be ignorant of facts. Also, there's ample evidence of an unfair election as well and zero credible verification of any results.
  - arp242 6y ago
    Of course there is a real laptop, and the content published from it is probably real too, and the laptop may very well have belonged to Hunter. But we don't have the full context, and the initial reporting was suspicious as hell. And none of this means the narrative it's used for is real (i.e. the claim that Joe Biden has corrupt connections to Ukraine). We saw this with previously leaked emails of DNC, Weiner, etc. where the intended meaning was twisted to "prove" some grand conspiracy. The emails were real, the conspiracy was bullshit. That Hunter Biden is a bit of a screw-up is not controversial. That this somehow automatically reflects badly on his father is.

by Tycho 6y ago

arp242 6y ago

> The information on the laptop is still subject to all the normal procedures of journalism: follow-up, look for corroboration, seek confirmation, ask questions And The New York Post did none of this. There are plenty of other articles written by about it by almost every news outlet[1]; it was never "buried". The difference was they treated the suspicious weird story as exactly that, instead of immediately rushing to conclusions. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop

Tycho 6y ago
The laptop is/was real. Are you actually maintaining that it is fake?
- barbacoa 6y ago
  We live in a world of subjective truths. "Hunter Biden laptop is fake" is to the left what "wide spread voter fraud" is to the right. People are too emotionally invested to have adult conversation on these topics.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    There is ample evidence of a fair election I have seen zero verification that the laptop belonged to hunter Biden in the first place and a lot of reasons to believe that the story is largely fabricated. Specifically its entirely sure that the laptop exists. It's possible it contains some actual stolen data in the same way that a lot of celebrities nudes are now out there due to a vulnerability in icloud. Its not clear to ME that the physical device ever belonged to Hunter Biden or that it contains anything like what they claim it contains. The single source of truth is massively tainted because the source is a lying scumbag with zero integrity. If you conclude otherwise I conclude its because its the answer you wish were true.
    - barbacoa 6y ago
      >If you conclude otherwise I conclude its because its the answer you wish were true. Confession through projection.
    - Tycho 6y ago
      You are totally missing the forest for the trees. Is there a single piece of information or revelation from the “laptop” that has been disputed, denied, or debunked? No. More importantly, have the mainstream American press managed to get the Bidens to address any of the insinuations stemming from materials? They haven’t even tried: they’ve decided to settle for whatever generic comment the Bidens put out through their press agents.
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        The story is unproven nonsense. The burden of proof lies with the accuser and it has never been met in the first place.
        jb775 6y ago
        That doesn't really apply when theres a bunch of dick pics on an ACTUAL COMPUTER EVERYONE REFUSES TO LOOK AT. Jesus just check the saved wifi network passwords....if Hunter Biden's house network is saved on it, safe to say it's his laptop. Instead ppl like you unintelligently refer to it as "unproven nonsense" and bury your head in the sand.
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        I don't have access to the computer nor the raw data. I was underwhelmed by the original news article and never saw anything that changed my mind thereafter. I'm not refusing too look at a computer nobody has access to. Maybe they ought to have leaked the raw data for me to look at.
    - jb775 6y ago
      Zero verification minus the dozens of Hunter Biden dick pics and pics of him around drugs or whatever. Could easily scrape metadata to figure out if it was def his laptop or not. Macs send data to their servers whenever an application is open...and also probably have location data on the specific device ID. Could simply cross reference that with the location of Bidens house. Or even look at the wifi connections....does it have the password saved for Hunter Biden's home wifi? Simple stuff to find some answers but the truth is you want to believe it's a conspiracy theory so you will instead bury your head in the sand and be ignorant of facts. Also, there's ample evidence of an unfair election as well and zero credible verification of any results.
- arp242 6y ago
  Of course there is a real laptop, and the content published from it is probably real too, and the laptop may very well have belonged to Hunter. But we don't have the full context, and the initial reporting was suspicious as hell. And none of this means the narrative it's used for is real (i.e. the claim that Joe Biden has corrupt connections to Ukraine). We saw this with previously leaked emails of DNC, Weiner, etc. where the intended meaning was twisted to "prove" some grand conspiracy. The emails were real, the conspiracy was bullshit. That Hunter Biden is a bit of a screw-up is not controversial. That this somehow automatically reflects badly on his father is.