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>They cant figure out how to deal with diving and playing for time I always find these complaints strange coming from American fans. "Playing for time" is hug

by slg 6y ago

>They cant figure out how to deal with diving and playing for time I always find these complaints strange coming from American fans. "Playing for time" is hugely important and mainstream strategy in the NFL. Coaches will be criticized if they don't run the ball enough when they have the lead in the 4th quarter. Meanwhile flopping is hugely common in the NBA. You can just search Youtube for "LeBron flops"[1] for plenty of evidence of the exact same behavior that is always condemned in soccer. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=LeBron+flops https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=LeBron+flops

NoOneNew 6y ago
To be fair, American Football is a game based around playing for time. What's interesting, college games are a bit more faster paced, mostly because those kids have something to prove so they can get into the NFL draft. Either way, I dont like American football without friends, snacks and booze. Baseball on TV, I feel the same, in it for the party. Theyre slow sports in reality. Though, in person, at the stadium, baseball is awesome. I dont watch basketball at all.
- slg 6y ago
  >college games are a bit more faster paced, mostly because those kids have something to prove so they can get into the NFL draft. That isn't the reasoning at all. The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts, so in a very real sense the players in the NFL are playing more to stay in the NFL than players in college are playing to get into the NFL. Also some of the highest paced teams in college are the teams full of players with no hope of playing in the NFL. The reason some college teams play faster than the NFL (and it isn't all teams) is because there is a wider talent distribution in college. It is possible to win games there by being faster and playing faster than your opponent. Talent is more evenly distributed in the NFL. You can just out athleticism your opponent. Another factor is that both players and coaches spend more time strategizing in the NFL. It is harder to just run the same scheme every game without it being eventually exposed.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  >To be fair, American Football is a game based around playing for time. And time for advertisements.
  - vagrantJin 6y ago
    Let us be honest about this for once. There are no USA sports. Just ads that happen to have a sport segment. The biggest sporting event in the US sport calendar year is known - not for the crunching tackles, not for the high flying antics, not for the pin in the needle plays...no sir - it is known for ads. Superbowl ads are bigger than the sport. When I was younger I though Superbowl meant ad marathons.
- evgen 6y ago
  > I dont watch basketball at all. Strangely enough, this sport has had a similar problem with playing for time that afflicts football/soccer. It used to be a horrible problem that almost destroyed the sport until the invention of the shot clock. I think it may have gone a bit too far in the other direction, to the point where you can ignore everything but the last five minutes of most games, but football/soccer could really use something like a shot clock to force offensive action.
beowulfey 6y ago
I think in the USA playing for time is considered acceptable and a good strategy so long as it isn't overdone. It's different in the NFL though, where there is an inbuilt limit to how much you can really delay. But anyway, you're right -- I don't think it's generally considered bad, at least not anytime I've ever watched sports with friends and colleagues. Diving though; that's universally considered to be unquestionably lame. It's never cool.
- divbzero 6y ago
  Yes, there are built-in limits to playing for time in both American football (play clock) and basketball (shot clock). Anything within those limits is fair game.

by slg 6y ago

NoOneNew 6y ago

To be fair, American Football is a game based around playing for time. What's interesting, college games are a bit more faster paced, mostly because those kids have something to prove so they can get into the NFL draft. Either way, I dont like American football without friends, snacks and booze. Baseball on TV, I feel the same, in it for the party. Theyre slow sports in reality. Though, in person, at the stadium, baseball is awesome. I dont watch basketball at all.

slg 6y ago
>college games are a bit more faster paced, mostly because those kids have something to prove so they can get into the NFL draft. That isn't the reasoning at all. The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts, so in a very real sense the players in the NFL are playing more to stay in the NFL than players in college are playing to get into the NFL. Also some of the highest paced teams in college are the teams full of players with no hope of playing in the NFL. The reason some college teams play faster than the NFL (and it isn't all teams) is because there is a wider talent distribution in college. It is possible to win games there by being faster and playing faster than your opponent. Talent is more evenly distributed in the NFL. You can just out athleticism your opponent. Another factor is that both players and coaches spend more time strategizing in the NFL. It is harder to just run the same scheme every game without it being eventually exposed.
lotsofpulp 6y ago
>To be fair, American Football is a game based around playing for time. And time for advertisements.
- vagrantJin 6y ago
  Let us be honest about this for once. There are no USA sports. Just ads that happen to have a sport segment. The biggest sporting event in the US sport calendar year is known - not for the crunching tackles, not for the high flying antics, not for the pin in the needle plays...no sir - it is known for ads. Superbowl ads are bigger than the sport. When I was younger I though Superbowl meant ad marathons.
evgen 6y ago
> I dont watch basketball at all. Strangely enough, this sport has had a similar problem with playing for time that afflicts football/soccer. It used to be a horrible problem that almost destroyed the sport until the invention of the shot clock. I think it may have gone a bit too far in the other direction, to the point where you can ignore everything but the last five minutes of most games, but football/soccer could really use something like a shot clock to force offensive action.

beowulfey 6y ago

I think in the USA playing for time is considered acceptable and a good strategy so long as it isn't overdone. It's different in the NFL though, where there is an inbuilt limit to how much you can really delay. But anyway, you're right -- I don't think it's generally considered bad, at least not anytime I've ever watched sports with friends and colleagues. Diving though; that's universally considered to be unquestionably lame. It's never cool.

divbzero 6y ago
Yes, there are built-in limits to playing for time in both American football (play clock) and basketball (shot clock). Anything within those limits is fair game.