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This article is completely ignorant. Bubbles aren't defined by, as some commenters suggest (not TFA), poor lending practices. Please see investopedia's excelle
by euthuxnetux 5y ago
This article is completely ignorant.
Bubbles aren't defined by, as some commenters suggest (not TFA), poor lending practices. Please see investopedia's excellent article on asset bubbles [1].
Houses require maintenance, they go out of style, newer buildings have more amenities, etc. In general they retain their value well, but they do become used over time. Historically (hundreds of years) the value of property is highly associated with income, which is highly associated with inflation. Real estate is conventionally considered to be an asset class that maintains its value relative to inflation.
Presently, enormous amounts of money have been poured into real estate. Housing costs are now disconnected from the ability of people to afford it, or from the potential of the property to extract rents. Price-to-Income ratios and Rent-to-Income ratios are completely out of line right now.
TFA repeats the complaint that housing supply is the issue because wealthy people and financial instruments are buying all the housing and letting it sit empty to appreciate in value. In other words, TFA claims that speculation on housing price increases is evidence that there is no asset bubble. The fact that there is widespread speculation on the price increase of an asset class is, in fact, evidence of a bubble, which is why I called the article ignorant.
The fact is that ~11% [2] of housing in the US is currently vacant. But this isn't just a US issue. If this was a supply constraint it would be a geographically local problem. It's not. It's not even isolated to a single nation. Housing prices are exploding globally [3]. This is a speculative asset bubble. The fact that it's not a bubble based on unaffordable leverage doesn't mean it's not a bubble.
Finally, it's impossible that this issue resolves without a crash [4]. Since we've had inflated prices for maybe a decade now, I expect that it will take somewhere between 5 and 10 years after the crash for prices to normalize. Put it another way: do you expect housing prices to increase exponentially forever? If not, do you expect prices to remain the same, adjusted for inflation? In other words, have we reached the maximum ability of people to afford houses, and this is just the new price? If neither of those things are true, then there is only one other option.
[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/10/5-steps-of-a-bubble.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/10/5-steps-of-a...
[2] Total Housing Estimate - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ETOTALUSQ176N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ETOTALUSQ176N
Vacant Housing Estimate - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EVACANTUSQ176N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EVACANTUSQ176N
[3] https://betterdwelling.com/canada-says-property-bubble-not-great-for-locals-good-for-foreign-investors/ https://betterdwelling.com/canada-says-property-bubble-not-g...
[4] https://betterdwelling.com/canadas-property-bubble-is-now-so-large-a-soft-landing-would-take-19-years/ https://betterdwelling.com/canadas-property-bubble-is-now-so...
- mycologos 5y agoLinks [2] and [3] suggest that the proportion of housing that's vacant is, as of the end of 2020, well below its level for the 2010s. So it doesn't seem like there's been an increase in speculating in (and not using) housing?
- nkurz 5y agoYou make some excellent points, but your comment would be much better without the first line. The article isn't "completely ignorant". It may have parts that are wrong, it might be misguided, or the conclusion may be unjustified, but there are many parts that are insightful and accurate. Calling it "completely ignorant" undermines the strength of your rebuttal.
- euthuxnetux 5y agoYou're right, that was probably unnecessarily inflammatory, and isn't a good way to communicate persuasively. I thought I'd justified the statement later, and that would be sufficient. I'll try to allow what I communicate to stand on its own going forward.
- bogomipz 5y agoIndeed this does seem to be global in nature. There's been no shortage of articles recently about the same level of mania in both Australia and New Zealand as well: https://www.domain.com.au/news/frustrated-home-buyers-leave-the-market-unable-to-make-a-winning-bid-1045855/ https://www.domain.com.au/news/frustrated-home-buyers-leave-... https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/3/23/bb-new-zealand-govt-tackles-property-speculators-with-new-rules https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/3/23/bb-new-zealand-g...
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoInteresting. Investors parking money in real estate because returns are so low everywhere else, and thereby 1) reducing the stock available for people to live in, which 2) makes everyone bid up the price of the stock available, which 3) makes it have been a really good investment. But I quibble a bit with your source [2]. That shows the amount of vacant units up sharply since 2020, but still lower than any point from 2005 to 2019. That doesn't seem to support your point, because this price run-up has been more than just the last year.