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The Daily Mail seems to do more real reporting of events in America than prestigious American newspapers do.

by Tycho 6y ago

afavour 6y ago
In what possible world could that be true?
wyxuan 6y ago
Ummm no?
rsynnott 6y ago
Like, non-celebrity-related events?
arp242 6y ago
Like what? I don't see anything that's not covered by other outlets. I do see stuff like "Can you THINK yourself thin? A hypnotist to the stars says you can - and reveals the five-step technique to try if you want to shed the 'lockdown stone'"[1] Taken from the front page right now. The article is even worse than the title suggests. Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI [1]: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9492639/Hypnotist-shares-5-step-programme-help-banish-Covid-stone-weight-good.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9492639/Hypnotist...
- jason0597 6y ago
  >Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI Ahhh this takes me back. What an amazing video. Made 11 years ago and it's just as accurate as it was back then. Honestly? Fuck the Daily Mail. Also The S*n, Daily Express, etc.
  - arp242 6y ago
    The Piers Morgan episode of Have I Got News For You, from when he was still the editor of The Daily Mail, is also a hilarious watch; highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TcgfjcOPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TcgfjcOPU or full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeOIfKrWyVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeOIfKrWyVA The Daily Mail stalked Ian Hislop for years after this in an effort to find "dirt" on him (never found any), all because Piers made a complete arse of himself :-/
    - znkynz 6y ago
      Morgan has edited the News of the world, and the Mirror. He has never edited the Mail, though has been published there from time to time.
      - arp242 6y ago
        Oh right, I got Daily Mail and Daily Mirror mixed up >_<
- WillPostForFood 6y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+rossi+grace+church https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+rossi+grace+church NY Times has conspicuously not been covering this NY story, whereas Daily Mail and NY Post have.
  - intergalplan 6y ago
    Is that... like... a story though? "Private school you've not heard of in NYC has minor curriculum and staffing dust-up". That should struggle to make any part of the paper in a major city, and if it does, maybe a little column buried in the middle. The only way that could possibly count as international news, certainly, is if you're looking for examples of some certain phenomenon and failing to come up with any more important or relevant than that.
    - WillPostForFood 6y ago
      It is a local story, of no interest, if it doesn't validate your worldview. If it props up your side, and make the other side look dumb, then it is of international importance. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/slave-trade-auction-snapchat-aledo-isd.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/slave-trade-auction-sn... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/texas-chivalry-assignment.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/texas-chivalry-assignm...
jb775 6y ago
Completely agree. "Prestigious" American newspapers do so much selective coverage it's insane...most people have absolutely no idea the extent of it. It produces the result of censorship without needing to actually censor. Just look at the Hunter Biden laptop story for an example -- initially blacked out and denied by American media, blanket rejection of underlying premise of story & suppression of relevant facts, eventual subtle admission on page 10 that everything was true all along. The average person on the left will deny and reject this since the communist American owned media only feeds them stuff they want to believe. Truth hurts sometimes.
- chownie 6y ago
  This doesn't follow, the laptop story's premise doesn't pass the sniff test at all. A laptop is left with a computer repair salesman for some reason, in Delaware for some reason, and for some reason no contact information is given for the laptop's return, and for some reason the repairman both wanted to and was capable of getting a direct line to Rudy Giuliani who for some reason gave the only copy of the hard drive to the NYT without screening any other news outlets. The repairman goes on to give contradictory statements repeatedly about the origin of the laptop. The FBI acquires the device for investigation into Russian disinformation campaigns.
  - throwaway4china 6y ago
    I suggest you read up on the scandal more, you either leave out details willingly or you are severely ignorant of the facts. When you say "for some reason" you are alluding that there is no answer and you're trying to downplay it, you are lying. The laptop was turned in by Hunter because it was waterlogged. He signed the form. When he didn't come back in to get it and the owner noticed the illegal things on it, a copy of the hard drive was first given to the FBI, another was later given to Rudy because nothing was done by the FBI. The emails and photos on the laptop have not been disputed. His business partner has confirmed the emails, and the DKIM of at least one of the emails have been verified.
    - throwaway4china 6y ago
femiagbabiaka 6y ago
"Real" === "fits my biases"
- Tycho 6y ago
  You think the news is about 'takes'. It's not, real news is about scoops.
  - femiagbabiaka 6y ago
    Other than celebrity news, what meaningful scoops are the Daily Mail getting? Genuinely curious.
    - Tycho 5y ago
      here’s one from today https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9521649/amp/Fundraisers-witnesses-took-stand-help-convict-Derek-Chauvin-raise-nearly-750k.html?__twitter_impression=true https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9521649/amp/Fundrai...
      - femiagbabiaka 5y ago
        Fair. All financial conflicts of interest should be reported on equally, like when Kyle Rittenhouse received funds.
ketralnis 6y ago
Do you have an example handy?
- Tycho 6y ago
  I haven’t been keeping a list, and sometimes it’s not so much a major scoop/exclusive as it is providing details and getting quotes on stories that are missing elsewhere. But it’s a definite trend I’ve noticed over time. Some examples I can think of - locating where Ghislaine Maxwell was hiding out - Anthony Wiener sexting scandal - Floyd arrest body cam footage This article chronicles their American operation. They do aggressive tabloid reporting/investigation, which may generate a lot of forgettable celebrity content, but is also brought to bear on politicians, officials, and other ‘important’ news subjects. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/how-the-daily-mail-scoops-american-dirt/amp https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/...

The Daily Mail seems to do more real reporting of events in America than prestigious American newspapers do.

by Tycho 6y ago

The Daily Mail seems to do more real reporting of events in America than prestigious American newspapers do.

afavour 6y ago

In what possible world could that be true?

wyxuan 6y ago

Ummm no?

rsynnott 6y ago

Like, non-celebrity-related events?

arp242 6y ago

Like what? I don't see anything that's not covered by other outlets. I do see stuff like "Can you THINK yourself thin? A hypnotist to the stars says you can - and reveals the five-step technique to try if you want to shed the 'lockdown stone'"[1] Taken from the front page right now. The article is even worse than the title suggests. Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI [1]: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9492639/Hypnotist-shares-5-step-programme-help-banish-Covid-stone-weight-good.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9492639/Hypnotist...

jason0597 6y ago
>Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI Ahhh this takes me back. What an amazing video. Made 11 years ago and it's just as accurate as it was back then. Honestly? Fuck the Daily Mail. Also The S*n, Daily Express, etc.
- arp242 6y ago
  The Piers Morgan episode of Have I Got News For You, from when he was still the editor of The Daily Mail, is also a hilarious watch; highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TcgfjcOPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TcgfjcOPU or full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeOIfKrWyVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeOIfKrWyVA The Daily Mail stalked Ian Hislop for years after this in an effort to find "dirt" on him (never found any), all because Piers made a complete arse of himself :-/
  - znkynz 6y ago
    Morgan has edited the News of the world, and the Mirror. He has never edited the Mail, though has been published there from time to time.
    - arp242 6y ago
      Oh right, I got Daily Mail and Daily Mirror mixed up >_<
WillPostForFood 6y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+rossi+grace+church https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+rossi+grace+church NY Times has conspicuously not been covering this NY story, whereas Daily Mail and NY Post have.
- intergalplan 6y ago
  Is that... like... a story though? "Private school you've not heard of in NYC has minor curriculum and staffing dust-up". That should struggle to make any part of the paper in a major city, and if it does, maybe a little column buried in the middle. The only way that could possibly count as international news, certainly, is if you're looking for examples of some certain phenomenon and failing to come up with any more important or relevant than that.
  - WillPostForFood 6y ago
    It is a local story, of no interest, if it doesn't validate your worldview. If it props up your side, and make the other side look dumb, then it is of international importance. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/slave-trade-auction-snapchat-aledo-isd.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/slave-trade-auction-sn... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/texas-chivalry-assignment.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/texas-chivalry-assignm...

jb775 6y ago

Completely agree. "Prestigious" American newspapers do so much selective coverage it's insane...most people have absolutely no idea the extent of it. It produces the result of censorship without needing to actually censor. Just look at the Hunter Biden laptop story for an example -- initially blacked out and denied by American media, blanket rejection of underlying premise of story & suppression of relevant facts, eventual subtle admission on page 10 that everything was true all along. The average person on the left will deny and reject this since the communist American owned media only feeds them stuff they want to believe. Truth hurts sometimes.

chownie 6y ago
This doesn't follow, the laptop story's premise doesn't pass the sniff test at all. A laptop is left with a computer repair salesman for some reason, in Delaware for some reason, and for some reason no contact information is given for the laptop's return, and for some reason the repairman both wanted to and was capable of getting a direct line to Rudy Giuliani who for some reason gave the only copy of the hard drive to the NYT without screening any other news outlets. The repairman goes on to give contradictory statements repeatedly about the origin of the laptop. The FBI acquires the device for investigation into Russian disinformation campaigns.
- throwaway4china 6y ago
  I suggest you read up on the scandal more, you either leave out details willingly or you are severely ignorant of the facts. When you say "for some reason" you are alluding that there is no answer and you're trying to downplay it, you are lying. The laptop was turned in by Hunter because it was waterlogged. He signed the form. When he didn't come back in to get it and the owner noticed the illegal things on it, a copy of the hard drive was first given to the FBI, another was later given to Rudy because nothing was done by the FBI. The emails and photos on the laptop have not been disputed. His business partner has confirmed the emails, and the DKIM of at least one of the emails have been verified.
  - throwaway4china 6y ago

femiagbabiaka 6y ago

"Real" === "fits my biases"

Tycho 6y ago
You think the news is about 'takes'. It's not, real news is about scoops.
- femiagbabiaka 6y ago
  Other than celebrity news, what meaningful scoops are the Daily Mail getting? Genuinely curious.
  - Tycho 5y ago
    here’s one from today https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9521649/amp/Fundraisers-witnesses-took-stand-help-convict-Derek-Chauvin-raise-nearly-750k.html?__twitter_impression=true https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9521649/amp/Fundrai...
    - femiagbabiaka 5y ago
      Fair. All financial conflicts of interest should be reported on equally, like when Kyle Rittenhouse received funds.

ketralnis 6y ago

Do you have an example handy?

Tycho 6y ago
I haven’t been keeping a list, and sometimes it’s not so much a major scoop/exclusive as it is providing details and getting quotes on stories that are missing elsewhere. But it’s a definite trend I’ve noticed over time. Some examples I can think of - locating where Ghislaine Maxwell was hiding out - Anthony Wiener sexting scandal - Floyd arrest body cam footage This article chronicles their American operation. They do aggressive tabloid reporting/investigation, which may generate a lot of forgettable celebrity content, but is also brought to bear on politicians, officials, and other ‘important’ news subjects. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/how-the-daily-mail-scoops-american-dirt/amp https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/...