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> I don't like this university ban approach. I do, because the university needs to dismiss everyone involved, sever their connections with the institution, and
by walrus01 6y ago
> I don't like this university ban approach.
I do, because the university needs to dismiss everyone involved, sever their connections with the institution, and then have a person in a senior position email the kernel maintainers with news that such has taken place. At which time the ban can be publicly lifted.
- timkam 6y agoI think the ban hits the right institution, but I'd reason the other way around: is it really the primary fault of the individual (arguably somewhat immature, considering the tone of the email) PhD Student? The problem in academia is not "bad apples", but problematic organizational culture and misaligned incentives.
- belval 6y agoTo me it depends on whether they lied to the ethics board or not. If they truly framed their research as "sending emails" then the individual is 100% at fault. If they clearly defined what they were trying to do and no one raised an issue then it is absolutely the university's fault.
- walrus01 6y agoI think it's more than whether they lied, it's whether the ethics board is even plausibly equipped to fully understand the ramifications of what they proposed to do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26890490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26890490
- belval 6y agoWell if the ethics board is not decently equipped to understand the concerns with this type of research I would say a full ban is perfectly understandable.