4 ms·

Italian public sector is long due for a clean-up, this is just the very visible tip of the iceberg. Cases of absenteeism have been reported by media almost on a

Italian public sector is long due for a clean-up, this is just the very visible tip of the iceberg. Cases of absenteeism have been reported by media almost on a daily basis for many many years, the problem is that nothing is really happening to those people. FWIW I am an Italian living abroad since 14 years

ObserverNeutral 5y ago
Not now! When the US is doing very low productivity infrastructure spending aimed essentially at putting money in people pockets as some sort of UBI which is not a UBI in the eyes of those who receive it. Just to propel economic growth Italy has that organically!
- gitanovic 5y ago
  Nope UBI is a better thing, when you have extreme inefficient bureaucracy, and need to deal with it on a daily basis, this is not a good thing, it is actually slowing down the good parts that are left in the economical system You want to get rid of unproductive people hindering the productive ones, and UBI is a much better solution. So it's not organic, unless you mean like cancer is organic, in that sense I might agree. UBI in contrast, can be seen as something more benign
  - ObserverNeutral 5y ago
    UBI deflates the morale of those who receive it. Costly infrastructure building is actually neutral or maybe even net positive because people have the impression that they are screwing the government over, which is always good for self esteem. I bet this guy who skipped work for 15 years was super confident and extremely prone to spending the money he pocketed (but did not earn)
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  A UBI restricted to those that can land government gigs is not very universal.
  - ObserverNeutral 5y ago
    UBI directed to those who spend it is essentially universal because it's up for grabs for anybody else
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I do not understand what this statement means.
      - mutatio 5y ago
        I think the argument is that even capitalism is UBI because everyone has the opportunity to become the next Bezos... or something.

ObserverNeutral 5y ago

Not now! When the US is doing very low productivity infrastructure spending aimed essentially at putting money in people pockets as some sort of UBI which is not a UBI in the eyes of those who receive it. Just to propel economic growth Italy has that organically!

gitanovic 5y ago
Nope UBI is a better thing, when you have extreme inefficient bureaucracy, and need to deal with it on a daily basis, this is not a good thing, it is actually slowing down the good parts that are left in the economical system You want to get rid of unproductive people hindering the productive ones, and UBI is a much better solution. So it's not organic, unless you mean like cancer is organic, in that sense I might agree. UBI in contrast, can be seen as something more benign
- ObserverNeutral 5y ago
  UBI deflates the morale of those who receive it. Costly infrastructure building is actually neutral or maybe even net positive because people have the impression that they are screwing the government over, which is always good for self esteem. I bet this guy who skipped work for 15 years was super confident and extremely prone to spending the money he pocketed (but did not earn)
lotsofpulp 5y ago
A UBI restricted to those that can land government gigs is not very universal.
- ObserverNeutral 5y ago
  UBI directed to those who spend it is essentially universal because it's up for grabs for anybody else
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I do not understand what this statement means.
    - mutatio 5y ago
      I think the argument is that even capitalism is UBI because everyone has the opportunity to become the next Bezos... or something.