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It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues

It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues of living in an authoritarian petrostate.

andonceagain 5y ago
Well, to be fair, @caskstrength has had his account for 12 months already (karma: 150). Yours has only been created for 8 months (karma: 16).
- stablenode 5y ago
  Thanks @andonceagain (created 29mins ago, karma: 2). I always wondered is the view of the Laptev Sea as depressing as they say?
- stablenode 5y ago
  Hey @andonceagain (created 1 hour ago, karma: 5), you didn't answer to my reply 'Thanks @andonceagain (created 29mins ago, karma: 2). I always wondered is the view of the Laptev Sea as depressing as they say?' Don't be rude - I'm fascinated to know more about the subarctic regions of a wannabe superpower. You can reply from your real account: no shame in it.
- odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
  Mine has 900 and this is my 3rd or 4th. I'm as western european as possible (literally living in the most western country in europe). My last 5 or so years, most of my social circle has been Ukranian, Belarussian and Russian people. My neighbour here in Portugal is Ukrainian and my family knows her for over 20 or so years. 95%+ of shit I hear about these countries is from US/Western europeans that know little more than what they learned in CoD and some Holliwood movies and making these ideological thoughts. They have good and bad things, good and bad people, but the view from '1st world countries' towards them is silly and it would be even funny if some of these countries and people weren't going through these difficulties
  - stablenode 5y ago
    @odshoifsdhfs: Well, I hate to quibble, but it's actually 'Belarusian' (just one 's', you see). I've lived in Western Europe (UK) nearly all my life and I'm afraid I disagree with you fundamentally: '95%' of the people in 'the West' are quite indifferent to the broader region of Eastern Europe, but never in my life have I encountered the kinds of chauvinistic attitudes even approaching those I encountered from Russians. To give you an example: 'govori po-chelovecheski' (in Russian - literally 'speak like a human being') -- can you believe this s**t? Also 'US/Western Europeans' aren't living in tinpot dictatorships with aspirations to annex territories from their neighbours -- a slight, but important difference, which to my mind excuses any ignorance of the region and its politics.
    - odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
      Sorry about the typo, mainly because in my language we do use the two 's' (Bielorussia) so sometimes my brain and typing have a mismatch. As for 'chauvinistic' things, I can agree with you there, as well as having very anti LGBT and racist tones in their speeches (I had to 'teach' a Russian friend that calling people niggers out loud in a cafe isn't acceptable here). But I can also say, a lot of Italians or Portuguese (and others as well) have similar thoughts, but they just know how to hide it enough (you have no idea how much faggot or nigger or the likes is used in normal conversation within family/friends conversations here, but just not spoken to third parties because they are afraid of judgement/consequences) while Russians tend to be more outspoken (mainly because it isn't seen such as taboo there to be anti-lbgt/black people) But two things that are my personal opinion. A lot of this is mainly due to their internal culture, and when they are exposed to others (black people or gay people) they understand very well that what was ingrained there isn't the reality. And second, they have (at least the ones I know), changed 180 degrees in a very short time about those ideas and behaviours when their 'eyes get opened' compared to local western europeans that still blame the black from Africa for everything that is wrong in their country (or nowadays, gypsies)) I am not trying to defend russians or ukrainian people (which in the context of these posts they are probably on different sides of the debate), but that the ideas we (or most) have from that part of the world is quite wrong. Yes, you had russians that talked to you like that, and I know good friends that left Russia because they couldn't stand LBGT persecution and Putin's 'strong man' politics. There are always various faces to the same coin (I know!). quick edit: Have you tried having those conversations with Polish or Latvian or Lithuanian folks? Those chauvinistic ideas are also present there in a large (might have changed now, but used to be) part of the population. You think in this scenario Russians are much worse or just you had more contact with Russians vs these and others Eastern European countries? edit number two (sorry just remembering things ;): 10 or so years ago, a 55 year old man beat the living crap of his wife. When the judge presiding over the case gave his sentence, it was given 2 years suspended sentence, citing that as attenuating cirscunstances, the wife did in fact burned his dinner so it was understandable he was mad. You think this was in Russia or Portugal? Because it was Portugal. We also have a judge in the spotlight for saying that cheating invalidates any women's testimony as she can't be trusted and that the bible allows for some punishments for 'stray' wives. (yes, from a working judge presiding over these cases)

andonceagain 5y ago

Well, to be fair, @caskstrength has had his account for 12 months already (karma: 150). Yours has only been created for 8 months (karma: 16).

stablenode 5y ago
Thanks @andonceagain (created 29mins ago, karma: 2). I always wondered is the view of the Laptev Sea as depressing as they say?
stablenode 5y ago
Hey @andonceagain (created 1 hour ago, karma: 5), you didn't answer to my reply 'Thanks @andonceagain (created 29mins ago, karma: 2). I always wondered is the view of the Laptev Sea as depressing as they say?' Don't be rude - I'm fascinated to know more about the subarctic regions of a wannabe superpower. You can reply from your real account: no shame in it.
odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
Mine has 900 and this is my 3rd or 4th. I'm as western european as possible (literally living in the most western country in europe). My last 5 or so years, most of my social circle has been Ukranian, Belarussian and Russian people. My neighbour here in Portugal is Ukrainian and my family knows her for over 20 or so years. 95%+ of shit I hear about these countries is from US/Western europeans that know little more than what they learned in CoD and some Holliwood movies and making these ideological thoughts. They have good and bad things, good and bad people, but the view from '1st world countries' towards them is silly and it would be even funny if some of these countries and people weren't going through these difficulties
- stablenode 5y ago
  @odshoifsdhfs: Well, I hate to quibble, but it's actually 'Belarusian' (just one 's', you see). I've lived in Western Europe (UK) nearly all my life and I'm afraid I disagree with you fundamentally: '95%' of the people in 'the West' are quite indifferent to the broader region of Eastern Europe, but never in my life have I encountered the kinds of chauvinistic attitudes even approaching those I encountered from Russians. To give you an example: 'govori po-chelovecheski' (in Russian - literally 'speak like a human being') -- can you believe this s**t? Also 'US/Western Europeans' aren't living in tinpot dictatorships with aspirations to annex territories from their neighbours -- a slight, but important difference, which to my mind excuses any ignorance of the region and its politics.
  - odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
    Sorry about the typo, mainly because in my language we do use the two 's' (Bielorussia) so sometimes my brain and typing have a mismatch. As for 'chauvinistic' things, I can agree with you there, as well as having very anti LGBT and racist tones in their speeches (I had to 'teach' a Russian friend that calling people niggers out loud in a cafe isn't acceptable here). But I can also say, a lot of Italians or Portuguese (and others as well) have similar thoughts, but they just know how to hide it enough (you have no idea how much faggot or nigger or the likes is used in normal conversation within family/friends conversations here, but just not spoken to third parties because they are afraid of judgement/consequences) while Russians tend to be more outspoken (mainly because it isn't seen such as taboo there to be anti-lbgt/black people) But two things that are my personal opinion. A lot of this is mainly due to their internal culture, and when they are exposed to others (black people or gay people) they understand very well that what was ingrained there isn't the reality. And second, they have (at least the ones I know), changed 180 degrees in a very short time about those ideas and behaviours when their 'eyes get opened' compared to local western europeans that still blame the black from Africa for everything that is wrong in their country (or nowadays, gypsies)) I am not trying to defend russians or ukrainian people (which in the context of these posts they are probably on different sides of the debate), but that the ideas we (or most) have from that part of the world is quite wrong. Yes, you had russians that talked to you like that, and I know good friends that left Russia because they couldn't stand LBGT persecution and Putin's 'strong man' politics. There are always various faces to the same coin (I know!). quick edit: Have you tried having those conversations with Polish or Latvian or Lithuanian folks? Those chauvinistic ideas are also present there in a large (might have changed now, but used to be) part of the population. You think in this scenario Russians are much worse or just you had more contact with Russians vs these and others Eastern European countries? edit number two (sorry just remembering things ;): 10 or so years ago, a 55 year old man beat the living crap of his wife. When the judge presiding over the case gave his sentence, it was given 2 years suspended sentence, citing that as attenuating cirscunstances, the wife did in fact burned his dinner so it was understandable he was mad. You think this was in Russia or Portugal? Because it was Portugal. We also have a judge in the spotlight for saying that cheating invalidates any women's testimony as she can't be trusted and that the bible allows for some punishments for 'stray' wives. (yes, from a working judge presiding over these cases)