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Absolutely not. I'm not a lawyer, just a citizen of the UK who has to live in a society that the DM has poisoned over decades. I have no sympathy whatsoever, b

Absolutely not. I'm not a lawyer, just a citizen of the UK who has to live in a society that the DM has poisoned over decades. I have no sympathy whatsoever, but as for the legal case I have no idea how this plays out.

ErikVandeWater 6y ago
I'm pointing out you're not really adding anything to the discussion. Saying you morally disapprove of the Daily Mail without substantiating it with facts isn't for HN.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  The facts are easy to check. The DM regularly loses libel cases for publishing fake smears about various victims. But apparently it considers these losses a cost of doing business. It has been called out for its racism on numerous occasions. It's notorious for wildly exaggerated tabloid abuse of legitimate refugees and immigrants. It called judges who forced proper constitutional proceedings during Brexit "enemies of the people" - sparking a record number of complaints to the Independent Press Standards Organisation. Its comments section is a cesspit of race hate and petty ignorance. It literally supported Hitler before war was declared. There isn't a rational case to be made for not disapproving of it morally.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    > There isn't a rational case to be made for not disapproving of it morally. That, and I say this with sadness, doesn’t follow from your other points. It just means they have different morals from you and I.
    - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
      No, that's a both sides false equivalence kind of argument. In context - and especially in light of yesterday's verdict - it's really rather unconvincing.
  - gadders 6y ago
    >> It literally supported Hitler before war was declared. So did the Daily Mirror. And the Guardian was a big supporter of eugenics. All irrelevant to the current papers.
    - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
      Unlike the rest, the Mail continues to be owned by the same family. Interestingly, the writer of the article in The Mirror that supported Hitler was one Lord Harmsworth - great grandfather of the current owner of the Mail. Harmsworth also used to own the Mirror before it was sold and changed its political orientation.
- cesaref 6y ago
  The nicknames for the Daily Mail are quite illuminating: The Daily Lie, The Daily Hate-Mail, The Daily Heil Of course these could all have been generated by the left wing liberal elites who have an issue with straight forward honest reporting. Best you have a bit of a google/search engine of choice to determine which is more likely to be true. You could of course try visiting their website and seeing for yourself.
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ErikVandeWater 6y ago

I'm pointing out you're not really adding anything to the discussion. Saying you morally disapprove of the Daily Mail without substantiating it with facts isn't for HN.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
The facts are easy to check. The DM regularly loses libel cases for publishing fake smears about various victims. But apparently it considers these losses a cost of doing business. It has been called out for its racism on numerous occasions. It's notorious for wildly exaggerated tabloid abuse of legitimate refugees and immigrants. It called judges who forced proper constitutional proceedings during Brexit "enemies of the people" - sparking a record number of complaints to the Independent Press Standards Organisation. Its comments section is a cesspit of race hate and petty ignorance. It literally supported Hitler before war was declared. There isn't a rational case to be made for not disapproving of it morally.
- ben_w 6y ago
  > There isn't a rational case to be made for not disapproving of it morally. That, and I say this with sadness, doesn’t follow from your other points. It just means they have different morals from you and I.
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    No, that's a both sides false equivalence kind of argument. In context - and especially in light of yesterday's verdict - it's really rather unconvincing.
- gadders 6y ago
  >> It literally supported Hitler before war was declared. So did the Daily Mirror. And the Guardian was a big supporter of eugenics. All irrelevant to the current papers.
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    Unlike the rest, the Mail continues to be owned by the same family. Interestingly, the writer of the article in The Mirror that supported Hitler was one Lord Harmsworth - great grandfather of the current owner of the Mail. Harmsworth also used to own the Mirror before it was sold and changed its political orientation.
cesaref 6y ago
The nicknames for the Daily Mail are quite illuminating: The Daily Lie, The Daily Hate-Mail, The Daily Heil Of course these could all have been generated by the left wing liberal elites who have an issue with straight forward honest reporting. Best you have a bit of a google/search engine of choice to determine which is more likely to be true. You could of course try visiting their website and seeing for yourself.
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