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This is a key question. If we can replicate the information processing in 1 minute of brain activity by rearranging and moving rocks in a specific way over a 1

This is a key question. If we can replicate the information processing in 1 minute of brain activity by rearranging and moving rocks in a specific way over a 10 year period, would that arrangement of rocks have subject conscious states, or not? If yes, it's a good argument in support of panpsychism, because those conscious states would seem to be substrate-independent. And if not, why does the brain have subjective states but these rocks do not? What makes our wetware particularly special? There's clearly something profound going on here, even if it's currently beyond our ability to articulate properly within a scientific framework.

Vampiero 6y ago
Feedback. Our brains are circuits, rocks are not. No matter how hard you try, rocks are never going to rearrange themselves if left to sit. Self-organization is very common in nature, and I find it easy to believe that consciousness is an emergent process that necessarily encompasses some level of self-organization.
- fighterpilot 6y ago
  > without an external agent performing these tasks. What about an AGI running autonomously on a computer, then. Would that have subjective states like we do?
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >rocks are never going to rearrange themselves if left to sit I don't understand this statement. What are mountains? What is sand? What is a planet? What is an asteroid? Where do you think rocks came from in the first place? Over substantial periods of time, rocks are always being rearranged whether or not humans interfere. Perhaps you are drawing a distinction between being rearranged and rearranging themselves, but I don't understand that distinction. If you think that humans rearrange their own brains, I think that is an impossible thing to even define. How can anything act on itself without an intermediary? What kind of evidence is there for it? Without energy input surely you'd agree that no brain can make itself function? So how is a brain different from a waterfall or rocks moved by a river?

Vampiero 6y ago

Feedback. Our brains are circuits, rocks are not. No matter how hard you try, rocks are never going to rearrange themselves if left to sit. Self-organization is very common in nature, and I find it easy to believe that consciousness is an emergent process that necessarily encompasses some level of self-organization.

fighterpilot 6y ago
> without an external agent performing these tasks. What about an AGI running autonomously on a computer, then. Would that have subjective states like we do?
perl4ever 5y ago
>rocks are never going to rearrange themselves if left to sit I don't understand this statement. What are mountains? What is sand? What is a planet? What is an asteroid? Where do you think rocks came from in the first place? Over substantial periods of time, rocks are always being rearranged whether or not humans interfere. Perhaps you are drawing a distinction between being rearranged and rearranging themselves, but I don't understand that distinction. If you think that humans rearrange their own brains, I think that is an impossible thing to even define. How can anything act on itself without an intermediary? What kind of evidence is there for it? Without energy input surely you'd agree that no brain can make itself function? So how is a brain different from a waterfall or rocks moved by a river?