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Probably. Have you ever read about the West’s involvement with regime change? Once, just once, can we stop and realize that being world policeman isn’t always

Probably. Have you ever read about the West’s involvement with regime change? Once, just once, can we stop and realize that being world policeman isn’t always a good move?

koonsolo 5y ago
Europe isn't the world policeman. Most neighboring countries want to join EU for good reason. In Ukraines case, do you really think they don't want to become more like any EU country? I know plenty of people from Lviv. That 'coup' was not staged by 'the west', but was a force within their own population that want a better standard of life. So please don't compare US involvement in any Middle east country to the EU and their neighboring countries.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  Just because a country wants to join the EU doesn’t mean the EU should send weapons and foment a civil war there. It is scary and absurd that this needs to be said, yet here we are. Arguing for starting a civil war because of “freedom.” Where have we heard this before? Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opinion on what to do. If each region voted independently, you’d probably see Ukraine split into two states, one aligning with the EU and the other with Russia.
  - koonsolo 5y ago
    The election results don't support your argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ukraine#/media/File:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_(%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ukraine#/media/Fi...
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      Yes, they do? The candidate who won was less harsh on Russia than others. The only region which didn’t vote for him was Lviv, who voted for the more hardline one.
  - oldnews193 5y ago
    > Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opinion on what to do. If each region voted independently, you’d probably see Ukraine split into two states, one aligning with the EU and the other with Russia. For what it's worth, the Party of Regions, which used to be in power until 2014 and which got voted into power by South and East of Ukraine, won the 2012 elections with a program featuring signing the Association Agreement with the EU, visa waiver with the EU and joining the EU market. Anyhow, if the question "Would you rather be in a political and economic alliance with the EU or with Russia?" might have seemed divisive to some before 2014, I'd think Russian aggression fixed that for good.
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    We are united against Russia aggression. No one wants their city destroyed like Donetsk and Luhansk. A lot of people are switching their language to Ukrainian to distance themselves from all the crime that Russia does, myself included. Kharkiv, east of Ukraine.

Probably. Have you ever read about the West’s involvement with regime change? Once, just once, can we stop and realize that being world policeman isn’t always a good move?

koonsolo 5y ago

Europe isn't the world policeman. Most neighboring countries want to join EU for good reason. In Ukraines case, do you really think they don't want to become more like any EU country? I know plenty of people from Lviv. That 'coup' was not staged by 'the west', but was a force within their own population that want a better standard of life. So please don't compare US involvement in any Middle east country to the EU and their neighboring countries.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
Just because a country wants to join the EU doesn’t mean the EU should send weapons and foment a civil war there. It is scary and absurd that this needs to be said, yet here we are. Arguing for starting a civil war because of “freedom.” Where have we heard this before? Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opinion on what to do. If each region voted independently, you’d probably see Ukraine split into two states, one aligning with the EU and the other with Russia.
- koonsolo 5y ago
  The election results don't support your argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ukraine#/media/File:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_(%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ukraine#/media/Fi...
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    Yes, they do? The candidate who won was less harsh on Russia than others. The only region which didn’t vote for him was Lviv, who voted for the more hardline one.
- oldnews193 5y ago
  > Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opinion on what to do. If each region voted independently, you’d probably see Ukraine split into two states, one aligning with the EU and the other with Russia. For what it's worth, the Party of Regions, which used to be in power until 2014 and which got voted into power by South and East of Ukraine, won the 2012 elections with a program featuring signing the Association Agreement with the EU, visa waiver with the EU and joining the EU market. Anyhow, if the question "Would you rather be in a political and economic alliance with the EU or with Russia?" might have seemed divisive to some before 2014, I'd think Russian aggression fixed that for good.
- sergeykish 5y ago
  We are united against Russia aggression. No one wants their city destroyed like Donetsk and Luhansk. A lot of people are switching their language to Ukrainian to distance themselves from all the crime that Russia does, myself included. Kharkiv, east of Ukraine.