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Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK

by collyw 6y ago

Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.

corty 6y ago
Even so, preliminary numbers where available seem to show the suicide rate to be falling. So in the loss-of-years calculation, all is quite fine actually...
- mensetmanusman 6y ago
  https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/13/cdc-one-quarter-of-young-adults-contemplated-suicide-during-pandemic-1308474 https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/13/...
  - InitialLastName 6y ago
    New rule for news consumption: stories that present poll results for a period without a baseline for comparison are trying to mislead you. What portion of people between 18-24 contemplate suicide in a given year? Turn to substance use to cope with stress? I know that I lived my life from 18-24 without any global pandemic lockdowns and both "contemplated" suicide at different points and used substances to cope with stress. I'd assume many others did as well. Given that we know suicides didn't go up in 2020 the way the fearmongers said they would (they went down), what are you arguing for?
kthejoker2 6y ago
To be pedantic, the remaining life expectancy if an 82 year old in UK in 2019 was 7.5 years. https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/singleyearlifetablesuk1980to2018/singleyearlifetablesuk/singleyearlifetablesuk.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunit... And of course, cumulatively many more "life years" would be lost in a no-lockdown world. But the real tragedy is you thinking stopping a real, deadly disease that affects millions of people isn't worth it because of a completely preventable death.
- collyw 6y ago
  That's without taking into account other factors such as comorbidities. Sebastian Rushworth did an interesting article on this, pointing out that it is likely wrong. https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/29/how-many-years-of-life-are-lost-to-covid/ https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/29/how-many-years-of-...
adrianN 6y ago
How do you weigh thirty year olds that can't work or take care of their kids because they have chronic fatigue after Covid? About 10% of the milder cases still aren't fully recovered after six months. About 10% of those suffer from chronic fatigue.
- JoshuaDavid 6y ago
  Can you give me a citation on the "10% of the milder COVID cases still are not recovered after 6 months"? I haven't found any good studies on this, and the "milder" in your sentence implies that you not only found research, but you found research that breaks it down by infection severity. My google fu is failing me when I search for it though, so I would very much appreciate a link.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    I read it in the news here https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/longcovid-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/longcovid-101.... (German unfortunately and no link to the original research...) "Epidemiologische Studien zeigen, dass etwa zehn Prozent der ambulanten Patienten nach sechs Monaten unter Long Covid leiden. Von diesen Patienten sind wiederum zehn Prozent vom chronischen Fatigue-Syndrom betroffen, schätzen Wissenschaftler. " At least the cited scientist is easy to Google, so you could ask her directly for the studies: https://solvecfs.org/carmen-scheibenbogen/ https://solvecfs.org/carmen-scheibenbogen/
not2b 6y ago
Stop with the suicide myth. The suicide rate actually decreased during the Covid pandemic. People are not killing themselves at greater rates because of lockdown.
- not2b 6y ago
  For whoever downvoted this, here's a reference: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-suicides-have-decreased-during-the-covid-19-pandemic https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-suicides-have-dec...

by collyw 6y ago

corty 6y ago

Even so, preliminary numbers where available seem to show the suicide rate to be falling. So in the loss-of-years calculation, all is quite fine actually...

mensetmanusman 6y ago
https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/13/cdc-one-quarter-of-young-adults-contemplated-suicide-during-pandemic-1308474 https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/13/...
- InitialLastName 6y ago
  New rule for news consumption: stories that present poll results for a period without a baseline for comparison are trying to mislead you. What portion of people between 18-24 contemplate suicide in a given year? Turn to substance use to cope with stress? I know that I lived my life from 18-24 without any global pandemic lockdowns and both "contemplated" suicide at different points and used substances to cope with stress. I'd assume many others did as well. Given that we know suicides didn't go up in 2020 the way the fearmongers said they would (they went down), what are you arguing for?

kthejoker2 6y ago

To be pedantic, the remaining life expectancy if an 82 year old in UK in 2019 was 7.5 years. https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/singleyearlifetablesuk1980to2018/singleyearlifetablesuk/singleyearlifetablesuk.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunit... And of course, cumulatively many more "life years" would be lost in a no-lockdown world. But the real tragedy is you thinking stopping a real, deadly disease that affects millions of people isn't worth it because of a completely preventable death.

collyw 6y ago
That's without taking into account other factors such as comorbidities. Sebastian Rushworth did an interesting article on this, pointing out that it is likely wrong. https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/29/how-many-years-of-life-are-lost-to-covid/ https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/29/how-many-years-of-...

adrianN 6y ago

How do you weigh thirty year olds that can't work or take care of their kids because they have chronic fatigue after Covid? About 10% of the milder cases still aren't fully recovered after six months. About 10% of those suffer from chronic fatigue.

JoshuaDavid 6y ago
Can you give me a citation on the "10% of the milder COVID cases still are not recovered after 6 months"? I haven't found any good studies on this, and the "milder" in your sentence implies that you not only found research, but you found research that breaks it down by infection severity. My google fu is failing me when I search for it though, so I would very much appreciate a link.
- adrianN 6y ago
  I read it in the news here https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/longcovid-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/longcovid-101.... (German unfortunately and no link to the original research...) "Epidemiologische Studien zeigen, dass etwa zehn Prozent der ambulanten Patienten nach sechs Monaten unter Long Covid leiden. Von diesen Patienten sind wiederum zehn Prozent vom chronischen Fatigue-Syndrom betroffen, schätzen Wissenschaftler. " At least the cited scientist is easy to Google, so you could ask her directly for the studies: https://solvecfs.org/carmen-scheibenbogen/ https://solvecfs.org/carmen-scheibenbogen/

not2b 6y ago

Stop with the suicide myth. The suicide rate actually decreased during the Covid pandemic. People are not killing themselves at greater rates because of lockdown.

not2b 6y ago
For whoever downvoted this, here's a reference: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-suicides-have-decreased-during-the-covid-19-pandemic https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-suicides-have-dec...