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Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

esperent 5y ago
No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. > EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the bloc will not share coronavirus vaccines with other countries until it has "a better production situation in the EU." This is reported by DW. https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vaccine-with-poor-countries-yet-59913.html https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vacci...
- noja 5y ago
  > No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. The EU did. For a year. And now it doesn't, since the UK and USA do not.
  - esperent 5y ago
    > For a year The first vaccine only came out about 4 months ago. However, you are right - the EU has donated about 30 million doses, enough for 15 million people. It's not nothing, but not that much either.
    - noja 5y ago
      It's not just about donations, it didn't block deliveries either.
    - oblio 5y ago
      One month ago: > Overall, 77 million doses have been shipped from the European Union since early December, 88 million will have been distributed internally by the end of the week, and 62 million shots have been administered within the bloc, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-eu-export/2021/03/25/01a1d788-8cd3-11eb-a33e-da28941cb9ac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-e... The EU tried to play nice and it was screwed over by other countries and by AstraZeneca. If you look at the numbers, the EU exported almost as many vaccines as it used, while its vaccination rate was half the UK/US one.
- Shadonototro 5y ago
  why would they give all their vaccine and forget about their own people they did, then stopped to plan the production, so they can share more later, that makes 100% sense and seems to be the best strategy to vaccinate everyone safely Saying "no they don't" is mostly a lie and is unfair to say, such a simplistic sentence that hides the real intentions
Wildgoose 5y ago
Absolutely not true. The UK Government paid for the AZ vaccine to be developed and then stipulated as part of the contract that it must be made available at cost to developing countries. The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries.
- brnt 5y ago
  > The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries. Citation needed. I've not heard about this at all.
  - collyw 5y ago
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-official-astrazeneca-vaccine-exports-australia-halted-76251250 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-official-a...
    - brnt 5y ago
      That's one seizure, of a small number according to the source. The claim was 'keeps seizing'...
      - fspeech 5y ago
        Why isn't a small number enough? The law abiding distributors would follow the ban, thus making further seizures unnecessary. Though to be honest the EU ban only targeted export to countries with better conditions (lower case rate or higher vaccination rate than Europe) and was only to last a few weeks, at least initially.
        krzyk 5y ago
        It was a ban to export mainly to UK which already had plenty of vaccines. And AZ wasn't delivering to EU what was promised. If you promise to deliver you better do, or don't produce the product in there and ship it elsewhere.

esperent 5y ago

No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. > EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the bloc will not share coronavirus vaccines with other countries until it has "a better production situation in the EU." This is reported by DW. https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vaccine-with-poor-countries-yet-59913.html https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vacci...

noja 5y ago
> No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. The EU did. For a year. And now it doesn't, since the UK and USA do not.
- esperent 5y ago
  > For a year The first vaccine only came out about 4 months ago. However, you are right - the EU has donated about 30 million doses, enough for 15 million people. It's not nothing, but not that much either.
  - noja 5y ago
    It's not just about donations, it didn't block deliveries either.
  - oblio 5y ago
    One month ago: > Overall, 77 million doses have been shipped from the European Union since early December, 88 million will have been distributed internally by the end of the week, and 62 million shots have been administered within the bloc, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-eu-export/2021/03/25/01a1d788-8cd3-11eb-a33e-da28941cb9ac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-e... The EU tried to play nice and it was screwed over by other countries and by AstraZeneca. If you look at the numbers, the EU exported almost as many vaccines as it used, while its vaccination rate was half the UK/US one.
Shadonototro 5y ago
why would they give all their vaccine and forget about their own people they did, then stopped to plan the production, so they can share more later, that makes 100% sense and seems to be the best strategy to vaccinate everyone safely Saying "no they don't" is mostly a lie and is unfair to say, such a simplistic sentence that hides the real intentions

Wildgoose 5y ago

Absolutely not true. The UK Government paid for the AZ vaccine to be developed and then stipulated as part of the contract that it must be made available at cost to developing countries. The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries.

brnt 5y ago
> The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries. Citation needed. I've not heard about this at all.
- collyw 5y ago
  https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-official-astrazeneca-vaccine-exports-australia-halted-76251250 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-official-a...
  - brnt 5y ago
    That's one seizure, of a small number according to the source. The claim was 'keeps seizing'...
    - fspeech 5y ago
      Why isn't a small number enough? The law abiding distributors would follow the ban, thus making further seizures unnecessary. Though to be honest the EU ban only targeted export to countries with better conditions (lower case rate or higher vaccination rate than Europe) and was only to last a few weeks, at least initially.
      - krzyk 5y ago
        It was a ban to export mainly to UK which already had plenty of vaccines. And AZ wasn't delivering to EU what was promised. If you promise to deliver you better do, or don't produce the product in there and ship it elsewhere.