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This is what I feared the first time would be, but somehow the virus spared India. The first time around majority of the population was careful, masked up and s
by yalogin 6y ago
This is what I feared the first time would be, but somehow the virus spared India. The first time around majority of the population was careful, masked up and stayed indoors. The death was super low. That caused people to get over confident, people believed that covid is not harmful in the country and they fully ignored it. Now there is an Indian variant of the virus which apparently and the infection rates and deaths are up.
- collyw 6y agoStill a small fraction of what Europe has experienced. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=IND~European+Union https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- dtech 6y agoThere are serious indications that India is under-reporting death count by a factor of 5-50x. Despite showing 5-10x lower death rate in your source, it was rare for European crematoriums have backlogs like in India [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-indias-counting-covid-dead-2021-04-19/ https://www.reuters.com/world/india/non-stop-cremations-cast...
- FlyingSnake 6y agoWouldn’t the opposition parties, independent media, foreign watchdogs raise the alarm if that was the case (prior to the current strain)? This would’ve been a golden opportunity to discredit the ruling government.
- kashif 6y agoClearly you know nothing about the Indian media and how it is suppressed by the government. Indian media is NOT FREE to report.
- nmridul 6y agoEven without government control, indian media is generally hesistant to publish (or delay the publication) large scale news that could create public panic. The news on mismanagement will start to come in few months once these things settle down. During the initial weeks of first wave , the media was more supportive of the government lockdown. Later when they realised that all was under control, media started bringing out the lockdown as a blunder.
- murukesh_s 6y agoNot a single day goes without seeing critical piece appearing in one of the listed sites: https://www.ndtv.com https://www.ndtv.com https://scroll.in https://scroll.in https://thewire.in https://thewire.in All of the foreign sites which are often very critical of the government like Aljazeera and BBC are also freely available. Note that scroll and wire are very left oriented and highly critical of the govt. So you need to balance the news with other medias. Even well established news papers like thehindu.com (leftist, run by leftist student leader N.Ram) and hindustantimes.com (run by opposition party) are also very popular and critical of the govt.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It leads to flamewars, which are tedious and nasty. Instead, you can add solid information in a neutral way; or it's always ok not to post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've done this repeatedly in recent months. That's not cool; please don't—regardless of how right you are, or feel you are, on the underlying issues.
- navait 6y agoMy (Indian) wife says that the media just print the good things their party does because if they printed dirt about their opponents, those people would print dirt about them.
- itsbits 6y agoBecause no one have correct numbers to be frank. Media sometimes does act responsibly can be one of other reasons as well. But as people pointing here, Indian govt surely not controlling all media outlets. They does manage couple though.
- puranjay 6y agoThe doctors in my family all openly say that the real numbers are at least bigger by a factor of 10.
- bongoman37 6y agoThis is varying a lot by state according to doctors I am connected to. UP and Gujarat are definitely fudging deaths by 5-10x, Karnataka seems to be more or less in line with reported deaths.
- zo1 6y agoIf the any of the "independent media" does this, they get censored for spreading "false covid information". It's painted as a conspiracy theory almost immediately.
- dartharva 6y agoNo, arrests and convictions for spreading "misinformation" and "fake news" are very brutal in India currently (at least for those who aren't on the government's side).
- snambi 6y agoThere is no reason to under report, because the government provides funds for everything. They may over report it, rather than under report it.
- efrafa 6y agoIn Slovakia there were ice truck parked on the street, because crematoriums were full.
- briefcomment 6y agoIsn't cremation the go to in India, but second to burials in places like Europe?
- kzrdude 6y agocremation is the majority option in northern europe and UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cremation_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cremation...
- briefcomment 6y agoI see, still pretty far from India’s 84% though. UK, Sweden, and Denmark are in the 70s, and everything else is lower.
- NicoJuicy 6y agoAnd Belgium counted every possible related death as covid related. Overreporting 100%
- microtherion 6y agoNow that excess mortality figures are available for comparison, Belgium's reporting looks in line with e.g. France or Israel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v2.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v... As in several other countries, Belgium's excess mortality was lower than the number of reported COVID deaths, but that's most likely because there was a lower number of flu deaths than usual.
- thebruce87m 6y agohttps://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-... Looks like we are now over-counting instead of undercounting as we were a few months ago. Well, maybe, since things like car crashes and suicides are down in most places so excess would be negative with lockdowns but without COVID.
- hesarenu 6y agoLast peak was around october. It was expected to go higher due to reduced restrictions and coming up festivals. But instead it came down drastically. There were many articles on what caused it to go down(weather, sanitation, food etc). Now in peak summer April suddenly its going up. Its a sharp rise. Would be interested to know the cause of the sudden rise in coming months.
- ezluckyfree 6y agoThe new variants seem to be far more infectious, and this time make up a majority of infections.
- agumonkey 6y agoI wonder if epidemiologists have confidence taken in account in their modesls. Probably but still.. it seems such a natural social bounce after extreme fear then lower rates..
- fnord77 6y agoMask and isolation fatigue sets in.
- rrevo 6y agoI was traveling to India during March (Mumbai area) and immediately concerned about the lack of masks and possibility of super spreader events like kumbh - https://rahulrevo.substack.com/p/indias-covid-conundrum https://rahulrevo.substack.com/p/indias-covid-conundrum. Unfortunately the worst case scenario has happened and it will now take time for the lockdowns to take into effect and the cases to reduce. For those in India, please support healthcare workers. This is something I wrote about in another post - https://rahulrevo.substack.com/p/healthcare-services-in-india https://rahulrevo.substack.com/p/healthcare-services-in-indi...
- baybal2 6y agoHoli + Mahashivratri + Kumbh + IPL + election rallies
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