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Using Netdata Cloud is a great way not to spend any time with that and access the Agent's dashboard through Netdata Cloud. We use WSS and MQTT, so it's super se

Using Netdata Cloud is a great way not to spend any time with that and access the Agent's dashboard through Netdata Cloud. We use WSS and MQTT, so it's super secure and lightweight. The data are streamed from the Agent directly to your browser via the cloud. Relevant docs: https://learn.netdata.cloud/docs/configure/secure-nodes#disable-the-local-dashboard https://learn.netdata.cloud/docs/configure/secure-nodes#disa...

sammy2244 5y ago
So the only convenient way to have security is to use the cloud version? Got it.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
  > So the only convenient way to have security is to use the cloud version? Got it. I wouldn't formulate it that way, it's just a bit annoying for me to see this trend of not having even tiny bit of security built in and having to do extra work just to protect the dashboard. Just one admin account and a random generated password would be fine.
- distantsounds 5y ago
  yes, because a 10 line nginx config with basic http auth is too difficult for a sysadmin to set up in conjunction with his systems monitoring tool stop being obtuse
  - dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
    It's not that it's too difficult, but we were accustomed to having this functionality built in in similar products in the past, then things changed. When ELK first showed up there was a big wave of attacks on ELK servers because they were completely unsecured and at that time X-Pack Security was a paid add-on, they changed their mind later, some time after an open source solution appeared.
    - PixyMisa 5y ago
      Absolutely. It has to be there, and users have to be forced to configure it at install time. How many times do we need to repeat this mistake?
- napsterbr 5y ago
  That's the key difference between self-hosted and SaaS. If you self-host, you are responsible for setting up the required infrastructure, taking care of updates, backups etc. If setting up a reverse proxy behind whatever monitoring you've got is too much, then yes, by all means use the SaaS offering -- but that's 100% the user responsibility, and there's no need to be snarky about it.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
    > If you self-host, you are responsible for setting up the required infrastructure, taking care of updates, backups etc. Are you speaking about Netdata or in general? Because if the former, then at least the updates part is not true: the installation script turns out nightly updates (and telemetry). Frankly, the reason there is no basic auth is that Netdata doesn't use a third-party web server but a built-in one, so they would have to add this functionality.

sammy2244 5y ago

So the only convenient way to have security is to use the cloud version? Got it.

dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
> So the only convenient way to have security is to use the cloud version? Got it. I wouldn't formulate it that way, it's just a bit annoying for me to see this trend of not having even tiny bit of security built in and having to do extra work just to protect the dashboard. Just one admin account and a random generated password would be fine.
distantsounds 5y ago
yes, because a 10 line nginx config with basic http auth is too difficult for a sysadmin to set up in conjunction with his systems monitoring tool stop being obtuse
- dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
  It's not that it's too difficult, but we were accustomed to having this functionality built in in similar products in the past, then things changed. When ELK first showed up there was a big wave of attacks on ELK servers because they were completely unsecured and at that time X-Pack Security was a paid add-on, they changed their mind later, some time after an open source solution appeared.
  - PixyMisa 5y ago
    Absolutely. It has to be there, and users have to be forced to configure it at install time. How many times do we need to repeat this mistake?
napsterbr 5y ago
That's the key difference between self-hosted and SaaS. If you self-host, you are responsible for setting up the required infrastructure, taking care of updates, backups etc. If setting up a reverse proxy behind whatever monitoring you've got is too much, then yes, by all means use the SaaS offering -- but that's 100% the user responsibility, and there's no need to be snarky about it.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
  > If you self-host, you are responsible for setting up the required infrastructure, taking care of updates, backups etc. Are you speaking about Netdata or in general? Because if the former, then at least the updates part is not true: the installation script turns out nightly updates (and telemetry). Frankly, the reason there is no basic auth is that Netdata doesn't use a third-party web server but a built-in one, so they would have to add this functionality.