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Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the b

by Jkae80 5y ago

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wanted to subvert Assad. IF Assad was a criminal but a good friend of the US interests, that would no problem. The US would not even bother. Not to mention of course, Ukraine, where right wing Nazi fascists are supported militarily by United states and Europe (all the US's vassal states speak the same language) By the way, techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. They did not notice that Lukashenko did not accept any "help" from IMF or the WHO besides having been pressured heavily. Opening up your country to IMF is like giving them your keys.

alehander42 5y ago
I really hope people realize that indeed both USA and Russia mostly follow their own interests and don't see this as a black/white thing: you see the russian sentiment and downvote it, but don't see how equally biased the US one is. And sadly HN and Reddit are usually political echo chambers for geopolitics
- scrollaway 5y ago
  I think a lot of people realize it, but at the end of the day, the US' own interests more often align with Europe's than Russian self interest does. So it's more beneficial to let the US be selfish than Russia.
esperent 5y ago
> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?
- ohashi 5y ago
  From his bot master probably
  - dandanua 5y ago
    Nah, their neural network is trained to produce some random sh*t that sound blamable and vicious. Didn't you heard the stories about crucified boy by Ukrainian army in Donbass? Russian state TV translate this kind of madness 24/7 for years now. The war is imminent, it's just a matter of time. It's impossible to dissipate that hate peacefully. Also, all Russian society is living in a hateful state, towards many things (their own government, immigrants, West, etc.). This energy will be used for destruction, one way or another, unfortunately.
    - Nemrod67 5y ago
      well then, didn't you hear about the policeman bludgeoned to death with an extinctor by armed revolutionaries in the US? Disinformation is everywhere, always. We as a Civilisation have to be able somehow to start accepting that "idiots" and "deplorables" from any side are just like us, humans....
    - dang 5y ago
      > all Russian society is living in a hateful state Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - baybal2 5y ago
        A slur it is, but I have yet to see a more profound understanding of state of the country. A regime that masterfully plays hate, both from country's own century long social self-immolation, and its own spin. The crux of the issue is very much that Kremlin plays, and direct this bottomless reservoir of insecurity, and anger, but even without it, the country's tragic fate through whole modern history will keep moving it astray. I telling people again, and again that in 1999 it were people in their completely free will, and sane mind who decided to elect a KGB official as a president. For there to not to be Putin II, Putin III, Putin IV, etc, this country's deep anguish must be extinguished. How one does it, I don't know. Maybe there will need to be a self-harm reduction course of nation state scale.
- Jkae80_ 5y ago
  Just because you have never heard it, does not mean it does not exist. Look at how the article is written and you understand it takes sides.
  - wnoise 5y ago
    The form of this argument is "you can ignore the argument they make because they're biased, and you can tell they're biased by the argument they make." That's clearly not a valid inference.
- etc-hosts 5y ago
  at the very least, the funders of Imaguru is the US State Department
dandanua 5y ago
US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.
- RicoElectrico 5y ago
  This. Russian state doesn't care about its own society either. And people were conditioned to believe there's no alternative.
- La1n 5y ago
  >what US did to South Korea You know South Korea was a dictatorship for many after the Korean War ended? The first dictator so loved by the US that they flew him to Hawaii to live out his life when people revolted against the regime. The second dictator got approval from the US. Yes, North Korea is bad, but after having 85% of buildings and a larger proportional civillian death toll than Vietnam or WW2, I find it not strange they turned into a closed off dictatorship. >Russian accusations of indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets did not register with the Americans at all. But for the North Koreans, living in fear of B-29 attacks for nearly three years, including the possibility of atomic bombs, the American air war left a deep and lasting impression. The DPRK government never forgot the lesson of North Korea's vulnerability to American air attack, and for half a century after the Armistice continued to strengthen anti-aircraft defenses, build underground installations, and eventually develop nuclear weapons to ensure that North Korea would not find itself in such a position again. ... The war against the United States, more than any other single factor, gave North Koreans a collective sense of anxiety and fear of outside threats that would continue long after the war's end. https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K--Armstrong/3460/article.pdf https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K--Armstrong/3460/article.pdf
  - lou1306 5y ago
    Another case in point: Cuba, pre-Castro.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  South Korea shortly after US occupation was poorer and more opressive than North Korea. Let that sink in. Things changed when there was a local South Korean revolution against the US-installed government. Also, Russia did nothing to North Korea. That was the Soviet Union. The two are quite different entities.
temptemptemp111 5y ago
You're not going to get anywhere with the truth in this environment (HN or similar). They're all amoral and they can't comprehend what morality is... Everything is about their communistic utopian future. That's why SF, the most progressive & rich part of the USSA, has the most degeneracy & homelessness. US doesn't have real elections but complaining about places far from home allows them to yelp loudly with their fingers in their ears. As someone who has been to the places in question, the east is idyllic in comparison with the western cities. Actually, the main problems in the east are mostly left over trauma from last time they had communist rule. Exit USSR, enter USSA ;)

by Jkae80 5y ago

alehander42 5y ago

I really hope people realize that indeed both USA and Russia mostly follow their own interests and don't see this as a black/white thing: you see the russian sentiment and downvote it, but don't see how equally biased the US one is. And sadly HN and Reddit are usually political echo chambers for geopolitics

scrollaway 5y ago
I think a lot of people realize it, but at the end of the day, the US' own interests more often align with Europe's than Russian self interest does. So it's more beneficial to let the US be selfish than Russia.

esperent 5y ago

> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?

ohashi 5y ago
From his bot master probably
- dandanua 5y ago
  Nah, their neural network is trained to produce some random sh*t that sound blamable and vicious. Didn't you heard the stories about crucified boy by Ukrainian army in Donbass? Russian state TV translate this kind of madness 24/7 for years now. The war is imminent, it's just a matter of time. It's impossible to dissipate that hate peacefully. Also, all Russian society is living in a hateful state, towards many things (their own government, immigrants, West, etc.). This energy will be used for destruction, one way or another, unfortunately.
  - Nemrod67 5y ago
    well then, didn't you hear about the policeman bludgeoned to death with an extinctor by armed revolutionaries in the US? Disinformation is everywhere, always. We as a Civilisation have to be able somehow to start accepting that "idiots" and "deplorables" from any side are just like us, humans....
  - dang 5y ago
    > all Russian society is living in a hateful state Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - baybal2 5y ago
      A slur it is, but I have yet to see a more profound understanding of state of the country. A regime that masterfully plays hate, both from country's own century long social self-immolation, and its own spin. The crux of the issue is very much that Kremlin plays, and direct this bottomless reservoir of insecurity, and anger, but even without it, the country's tragic fate through whole modern history will keep moving it astray. I telling people again, and again that in 1999 it were people in their completely free will, and sane mind who decided to elect a KGB official as a president. For there to not to be Putin II, Putin III, Putin IV, etc, this country's deep anguish must be extinguished. How one does it, I don't know. Maybe there will need to be a self-harm reduction course of nation state scale.
Jkae80_ 5y ago
Just because you have never heard it, does not mean it does not exist. Look at how the article is written and you understand it takes sides.
- wnoise 5y ago
  The form of this argument is "you can ignore the argument they make because they're biased, and you can tell they're biased by the argument they make." That's clearly not a valid inference.
etc-hosts 5y ago
at the very least, the funders of Imaguru is the US State Department

dandanua 5y ago

US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.

RicoElectrico 5y ago
This. Russian state doesn't care about its own society either. And people were conditioned to believe there's no alternative.
La1n 5y ago
>what US did to South Korea You know South Korea was a dictatorship for many after the Korean War ended? The first dictator so loved by the US that they flew him to Hawaii to live out his life when people revolted against the regime. The second dictator got approval from the US. Yes, North Korea is bad, but after having 85% of buildings and a larger proportional civillian death toll than Vietnam or WW2, I find it not strange they turned into a closed off dictatorship. >Russian accusations of indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets did not register with the Americans at all. But for the North Koreans, living in fear of B-29 attacks for nearly three years, including the possibility of atomic bombs, the American air war left a deep and lasting impression. The DPRK government never forgot the lesson of North Korea's vulnerability to American air attack, and for half a century after the Armistice continued to strengthen anti-aircraft defenses, build underground installations, and eventually develop nuclear weapons to ensure that North Korea would not find itself in such a position again. ... The war against the United States, more than any other single factor, gave North Koreans a collective sense of anxiety and fear of outside threats that would continue long after the war's end. https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K--Armstrong/3460/article.pdf https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K--Armstrong/3460/article.pdf
- lou1306 5y ago
  Another case in point: Cuba, pre-Castro.
sudosysgen 5y ago
South Korea shortly after US occupation was poorer and more opressive than North Korea. Let that sink in. Things changed when there was a local South Korean revolution against the US-installed government. Also, Russia did nothing to North Korea. That was the Soviet Union. The two are quite different entities.

temptemptemp111 5y ago

You're not going to get anywhere with the truth in this environment (HN or similar). They're all amoral and they can't comprehend what morality is... Everything is about their communistic utopian future. That's why SF, the most progressive & rich part of the USSA, has the most degeneracy & homelessness. US doesn't have real elections but complaining about places far from home allows them to yelp loudly with their fingers in their ears. As someone who has been to the places in question, the east is idyllic in comparison with the western cities. Actually, the main problems in the east are mostly left over trauma from last time they had communist rule. Exit USSR, enter USSA ;)