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> the destruction of socialism in '89 isn't a good example, most of us would still prefer it over capitalism As the example of pre-wall GDR shows, socialism ca
by maratc 6y ago
> the destruction of socialism in '89 isn't a good example, most of us would still prefer it over capitalism
As the example of pre-wall GDR shows, socialism can only exist with GULAG's for the suppression of the unconvinced. I seriously doubt about most of "us" preferring socialism over capitalism, unless you take a very specific (unknown to me) definition of "us". It would most certainly not apply to HN's readers.
> The rest (surplus) is either appropriated by capitalists or pooled together by the workers or a worker's state to fund collective efforts
This reminds me of Marxism and its problem: while it's fine in theory, it hasn't been proved yet to effectively work in practice (and that is not for lack of trying).
> all socialist revolutions so far have been in poor under-industrialised countries that improved drastically under socialism
Other "poor under-industrialised countries" that did not have revolutions have nevertheless improved drastically under capitalism.
- lucian1900 6y agoThere have been numerous surveys in various Eastern European countries, even today a majority of people would prefer the political systems before '89. The GDR was under constant attack from capitalist countries, I don't think it's that unusual for a country to track and imprison foreign spies and local collaborators and fascists. The current capitalist countries imprison lots of people for political reasons too. The Marxist labour theory of value has been proven statistically in several ways, it's not disputed even by right-wing economists. Central planning also is used by capitalists to avoid the inefficiencies of markets. The major missing thing is that we live and work under the dictatorship of capitalists, with little to no democratic control for the workers. No poor under-industrialised country has yet to achieve prosperity under capitalism. Yet the improvements with socialism are quite clear in the past (https://mobile.twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1136693839526223872 https://mobile.twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1136693839526223...) and nowadays with China, Vietnam and Cuba.