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Generally, it would be a franchise, like the US system. Guaranteed placement in the league, no risk of demotion.

detaro 6y ago
And always having games between well-known high-level clubs, no games against smaller clubs that don't bring in the attention.
mrweasel 6y ago
>Guaranteed placement in the league, no risk of demotion. I can see it from the clubs point of view, but the risk of demotion adds excitement. Imagine the NFL if the two worst teams got demoted.
- culturestate 6y ago
  Unsurprisingly[1], Ted Lasso addressed this in a great way: Player: Coach, do they not have relegation in America? Ted: Oh, no, no, no. Player: So what happens to all the shit teams at the end of the season? Ted: They play out the rest of the schedule, going through the motions in meaningless games contested in lifeless, half-empty stadiums, and everyone's pretty much fine with that. 1. I swear, this is the most relatable non-current-events-driven show anyone has done in years.
  - bartread 6y ago
    This was the thing that killed it for me[0]: if you can't be relegated where's the incentive to bring your A game? And where does that leave fans? Even more ripped off than they are now by teams who, under the new system, simply can't be arsed because there are no consequences? [0] Not that I'm particularly a fan of soccer - the English-style long-ball (aka hit and hope) game with possession carelessly given away all the time drives me up the wall to watch (admittedly much less in evidence under Gareth Southgate at the 2018 World Cup). There's also too much diving and associated on pitch drama/gamesmanship that has nothing to do with playing, and disrupts the flow of matches, for me to find it particularly enjoyable.
  - soco 6y ago
    And that's exactly what makes US football different from European football (soccer as some call it). Yes, major teams enjoy a de facto superstar status, and the US model is exactly what they had in mind with the ESL. But here even the matches between minor teams live from the fans of the minor teams, as football is here not only for the show but a part of community life. Even big teams still have that community status and that's exactly what burned them now.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  These are the largest clubs in UK and Europe. They is no risk of demotion but rather a risk of not qualifying to the Champions League, which in practice is both a planning and financial problem and a disappointment to fans. In the UK only the top 4 in the Premier League qualify for the Champions League. So at least 2 of the 6 clubs that signed up for the ESL lose out every single year, which means very unpredictable income and matches. So I perfectly understand why they want a bit more certainty and a guarantee to bring top games to fans every year. I'm not into football so I understand much less why fans were so opposed to this. And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing.
  - gerikson 6y ago
    > And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing. I'm not a UK citizen but I follow UK politics, and to me Johnson's actions here are perfectly on brand.
  - ValentineC 6y ago
    > And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing. I remember a conversation I had about the UK economy years ago, before Brexit. London doesn't seem to be much of a financial hub anymore, so football and English royalty are the two main exports the UK has to offer the world these days.
  - jamienicol 6y ago
    Fans are opposed because it's the final straw of their clubs being turned in to money making corporations rather than about football. Boris Johnson is opposed because the conservatives gained a lot of northern working class seats in the last election and they want to keep them. Happy as I am to criticize him and his party, I'm not sure why they shouldn't deal with this as well as the other issues
  - 6y ago

And always having games between well-known high-level clubs, no games against smaller clubs that don't bring in the attention.

mrweasel 6y ago

>Guaranteed placement in the league, no risk of demotion. I can see it from the clubs point of view, but the risk of demotion adds excitement. Imagine the NFL if the two worst teams got demoted.

culturestate 6y ago
Unsurprisingly[1], Ted Lasso addressed this in a great way: Player: Coach, do they not have relegation in America? Ted: Oh, no, no, no. Player: So what happens to all the shit teams at the end of the season? Ted: They play out the rest of the schedule, going through the motions in meaningless games contested in lifeless, half-empty stadiums, and everyone's pretty much fine with that. 1. I swear, this is the most relatable non-current-events-driven show anyone has done in years.
- bartread 6y ago
  This was the thing that killed it for me[0]: if you can't be relegated where's the incentive to bring your A game? And where does that leave fans? Even more ripped off than they are now by teams who, under the new system, simply can't be arsed because there are no consequences? [0] Not that I'm particularly a fan of soccer - the English-style long-ball (aka hit and hope) game with possession carelessly given away all the time drives me up the wall to watch (admittedly much less in evidence under Gareth Southgate at the 2018 World Cup). There's also too much diving and associated on pitch drama/gamesmanship that has nothing to do with playing, and disrupts the flow of matches, for me to find it particularly enjoyable.
- soco 6y ago
  And that's exactly what makes US football different from European football (soccer as some call it). Yes, major teams enjoy a de facto superstar status, and the US model is exactly what they had in mind with the ESL. But here even the matches between minor teams live from the fans of the minor teams, as football is here not only for the show but a part of community life. Even big teams still have that community status and that's exactly what burned them now.
mytailorisrich 6y ago
These are the largest clubs in UK and Europe. They is no risk of demotion but rather a risk of not qualifying to the Champions League, which in practice is both a planning and financial problem and a disappointment to fans. In the UK only the top 4 in the Premier League qualify for the Champions League. So at least 2 of the 6 clubs that signed up for the ESL lose out every single year, which means very unpredictable income and matches. So I perfectly understand why they want a bit more certainty and a guarantee to bring top games to fans every year. I'm not into football so I understand much less why fans were so opposed to this. And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing.
- gerikson 6y ago
  > And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing. I'm not a UK citizen but I follow UK politics, and to me Johnson's actions here are perfectly on brand.
- ValentineC 6y ago
  > And I am also shocked that the PM wanted to intervene within 24 hours of the announcement on an issue that seems completely private and irrelevant compared to all the issues the country is facing. I remember a conversation I had about the UK economy years ago, before Brexit. London doesn't seem to be much of a financial hub anymore, so football and English royalty are the two main exports the UK has to offer the world these days.
- jamienicol 6y ago
  Fans are opposed because it's the final straw of their clubs being turned in to money making corporations rather than about football. Boris Johnson is opposed because the conservatives gained a lot of northern working class seats in the last election and they want to keep them. Happy as I am to criticize him and his party, I'm not sure why they shouldn't deal with this as well as the other issues
- 6y ago