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Is that really true or is it a "straw woman" argument? Can you recommend a feminist left person who can explain this position, because it seems outlandish to me
by okareaman 6y ago
Is that really true or is it a "straw woman" argument? Can you recommend a feminist left person who can explain this position, because it seems outlandish to me that someone could think there weren't biological differences. What about testosterone and estrogen?
- AndrewKemendo 6y agoTi-Grace Atkinson, Kathie Sarachild, Lierre Keith and Michele Wallace. These are a few names of Radical Feminist thinkers who ascribe to the view that gender is a "fashionable concept" or the concept of femininity is "ritualized submission." http://meetinggroundonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GENDER-Statement-InterActive-930.pdf http://meetinggroundonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GE...
- maxerickson 6y agoAre a few 'Radical Feminist thinkers' the same thing as 'the feminist left'?
- retrac 6y agoNo, not really. If anything the opposite view (uncharitably, that men are all doomed by their biology) is not uncommon either. And of course most feminists (FWIW I consider myself one) are not tabula rasa types. Very few people worth taking seriously believe that literally, these days. The evidence is overwhelmingly against the idea. More often you'll hear something like that the slight male tendency towards asserting dominance and impulsive behaviour compared to women is just that, slight. And that it is greatly amplified by culture and socialization. (And well, this is probably true to some degree?) One can, of course, believe the sexes are somewhat different on average, while believing in their equal value, ability and merit in all the things that are actually important.
- nsonha 6y agoI mean the labels "left" and "right" themselves are to describe binary leaning aka "radical". Normal people would "lean left" on some issues and "right" on some others, to varying degrees, hence would not be so easily identified as such.
- okareaman 6y agoOk, great thx, I can begin to get a handle on it. I don't see it addressing biology, but I can start here.
- morelisp 6y agoHonestly this is like you asked a question about introductory reading about leftism and someone handed you the Little Red Book. This is among the most divisive, vocal minority, and inside baseball texts produced by leftist feminism in the past decade. If you're genuinely interested in an introduction to the idea of femininity / the female as a social construction actually within the main leftist/feminist discourse I recommend Julia Serrano's Whipping Girl, or if you really want something controversial Andrea Long Chu's Females: A Concern. And yes, in those case you will find xyzzy21's and AndrewKemendo's claims are strawmen.
- morelisp 6y agoGet this TERF shit outta here, there's no alliance between them and the modern feminist left people associate with Twitter/Tumblr and love to complain about.
- gnu8 6y agoHe's saying women don't have agency until they hear their clock going off. It's misogynist gibberish.
- Viker 6y agoYou can call it that. But both data and research and confirm that. Also there is plenty of anecdotal evidence especially in IT of highly successful career women that would drop everything just to have have children.