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Not fast, ugly, bad integration in the OS, often outdated, bad package manager. Well, still better than not having a Unix prompt I guess.

iambot 15y ago
pretty much, compared to an integrated terminal like *nix, im a big fan of things "just working"
- Derbasti 15y ago
  I consistently prefer running a Linux terminal in a virtual machine to running Cygwin natively. And it is faster, too.
  - chromic 15y ago
    This is my preferred unix-in-windows setup as well. Free VMWare player and your favorite distro of linux and you're good to go.
rbanffy 15y ago
The minTTY terminal helps a lot. Windows console is, indeed, a horrid environment.
- endtime 15y ago
  Agreed about Windows console - I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/.
- MatthewPhillips 15y ago
  Try Power Shell.
  - contextfree 15y ago
    ... which runs in the standard console, and therefore does nothing whatever to address the problem with the Windows console being awful.
    - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
      It adds a bunch of useful stuff to the Path including select, sort, and ls. The lack of utilities in the standard cmd is my major gripe, what's yours?
      - natesm 15y ago
        The emulator itself is absolutely terrible, compared to, say, gnome-terminal or iTerm.
      - contextfree 15y ago
        You were responding to someone's complaint about the lousy console window.
    - mikemaccana 15y ago
      PoSH 2+ includes tabs and a method browser IIRC.
  - heresy 15y ago
    PowerShell is handy, but man, is it slow. If you thought text rendering by cmd.exe was slow, wait till you get a load of PowerShell. I don't really understand why the console subsystem in Windows is so slow that it can actually add a significant amount of time to a build with lots of scrolling text. Even the "slow" Terminal.app is a whiz by comparison, to say nothing of Gnome Terminal, or, rxvt.
    - contextfree 15y ago
      I remember a few occasions at work where I figured I'd write a quick Powershell script to process some text files or something, and writing the script was quick and pleasant enough, but then it turned out to be quicker to just write a C# program to do the same thing rather than wait for the Powershell script to finish =)
      - rbanffy 15y ago
        > it turned out to be quicker to just write a C# program I you really should install cygwin (and MinTTY). http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/shell-tools.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/shell-tools.htm...
        contextfree 15y ago
        iirc I had cygwin installed as well, but had mostly stopped using it for some reason I forget.

iambot 15y ago

pretty much, compared to an integrated terminal like *nix, im a big fan of things "just working"

Derbasti 15y ago
I consistently prefer running a Linux terminal in a virtual machine to running Cygwin natively. And it is faster, too.
- chromic 15y ago
  This is my preferred unix-in-windows setup as well. Free VMWare player and your favorite distro of linux and you're good to go.

rbanffy 15y ago

The minTTY terminal helps a lot. Windows console is, indeed, a horrid environment.

endtime 15y ago
Agreed about Windows console - I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/.
MatthewPhillips 15y ago
Try Power Shell.
- contextfree 15y ago
  ... which runs in the standard console, and therefore does nothing whatever to address the problem with the Windows console being awful.
  - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
    It adds a bunch of useful stuff to the Path including select, sort, and ls. The lack of utilities in the standard cmd is my major gripe, what's yours?
    - natesm 15y ago
      The emulator itself is absolutely terrible, compared to, say, gnome-terminal or iTerm.
    - contextfree 15y ago
      You were responding to someone's complaint about the lousy console window.
  - mikemaccana 15y ago
    PoSH 2+ includes tabs and a method browser IIRC.
- heresy 15y ago
  PowerShell is handy, but man, is it slow. If you thought text rendering by cmd.exe was slow, wait till you get a load of PowerShell. I don't really understand why the console subsystem in Windows is so slow that it can actually add a significant amount of time to a build with lots of scrolling text. Even the "slow" Terminal.app is a whiz by comparison, to say nothing of Gnome Terminal, or, rxvt.
  - contextfree 15y ago
    I remember a few occasions at work where I figured I'd write a quick Powershell script to process some text files or something, and writing the script was quick and pleasant enough, but then it turned out to be quicker to just write a C# program to do the same thing rather than wait for the Powershell script to finish =)
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      > it turned out to be quicker to just write a C# program I you really should install cygwin (and MinTTY). http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/shell-tools.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/shell-tools.htm...
      - contextfree 15y ago
        iirc I had cygwin installed as well, but had mostly stopped using it for some reason I forget.