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I definitely did not say the root of the problem is that police has a monopoly on force. I said that it is the reason why people should comply regardless of pot

by noxer 6y ago

I definitely did not say the root of the problem is that police has a monopoly on force. I said that it is the reason why people should comply regardless of potential rights being violated. Because you have to defend your rights with legal means not with force. Its exactly the same as if your neighbor violates your rights. The use of force as a means to enforce your rights is illegal. There are some extreme cases where you can use force namely self-defense and defending others who are in imminent danger. This is not an act of enforcing you rights this an act of defense. The right to use force voids as soon as the "danger" is gone not when your "right is restored". Self defense is almost always not applicable if the "danger" comes from a police officer. Being arrested even if not lawful does not make it a kidnapping and you resisting isn't self-defense. I have no clue how you think police should do its job if they do not have a monopoly on force. It quite obviously who would have the monopoly then, the criminals. Also how about teaching people that although bad cops exist most cops wont kill you if you comply (this is the statistical reality). And that no matter what you did or being accused of doing your best option is to comply (even for mass murders, rapists and terrorists, statistics show that this behavior significantly prolongs their life). The other political measurement you suggested are up for debate and whether or not they work needs to be evaluated while the simply act of complying can be done by anyone right now. And there is zero negative side effect.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
Who are the criminals you’re afraid of giving the upper hand here? Speeders? Homeless people sleeping where others don’t want them to? Kids caught with a dime bag? If there’s a statistical reality here, it’s that hardly any of the situations in which we call on police would be likely to result in violence at all. But if you send police, that is inevitably what will happen — because violence is literally the only tool in their toolbox, the sole reason they even exist in the first place. And predictably, if you imbue people with the power to commit violence free from consequence, that is what they do. In almost every police encounter, they are the ones escalating the risk of violence. So it’s perfectly reasonable to fear for your life during a police encounter, because we see over and over and over again that there are plenty of cops who relish that power, and plenty more who will close ranks to protect them. Compliance may be the best self-preservation strategy for individuals in the moment. But it does nothing to address the systemic issue.
- noxer 6y ago
  >Who are the criminals you’re afraid of giving the upper hand here? I couldn't care less who that may be. No criminal should should ever have the upper hand. And its obvious that if the criminal which poses the least risk to ordinary people would have the upper hand then all the other criminals would too. Even the ones that dont exist in the current situation. I disagree with the rest of you assumptions. You should probably talk with a cop and ask them what they are doing all day long. Most of them hardly ever draw their gun, many go trough a lifetime of service and never shoot a single bullet outside of training. Idk from where you distorted view on police work comes from and I dont see much value in further discussion this.

by noxer 6y ago

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Who are the criminals you’re afraid of giving the upper hand here? Speeders? Homeless people sleeping where others don’t want them to? Kids caught with a dime bag? If there’s a statistical reality here, it’s that hardly any of the situations in which we call on police would be likely to result in violence at all. But if you send police, that is inevitably what will happen — because violence is literally the only tool in their toolbox, the sole reason they even exist in the first place. And predictably, if you imbue people with the power to commit violence free from consequence, that is what they do. In almost every police encounter, they are the ones escalating the risk of violence. So it’s perfectly reasonable to fear for your life during a police encounter, because we see over and over and over again that there are plenty of cops who relish that power, and plenty more who will close ranks to protect them. Compliance may be the best self-preservation strategy for individuals in the moment. But it does nothing to address the systemic issue.

noxer 6y ago
>Who are the criminals you’re afraid of giving the upper hand here? I couldn't care less who that may be. No criminal should should ever have the upper hand. And its obvious that if the criminal which poses the least risk to ordinary people would have the upper hand then all the other criminals would too. Even the ones that dont exist in the current situation. I disagree with the rest of you assumptions. You should probably talk with a cop and ask them what they are doing all day long. Most of them hardly ever draw their gun, many go trough a lifetime of service and never shoot a single bullet outside of training. Idk from where you distorted view on police work comes from and I dont see much value in further discussion this.