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Any direct experiences using this? I've been looking for a good multiplatform UI for desktop that does Mac/Linux/Windows. Mobile is a nice side benefit. It woul

by tomc1985 6y ago

Any direct experiences using this? I've been looking for a good multiplatform UI for desktop that does Mac/Linux/Windows. Mobile is a nice side benefit. It would be nice to use C# again No, I'm not interested in Electron. Blegh.

kreitje 6y ago
It will be out with dotnet 6 later this year.
miohtama 6y ago
Have you looked Flutter? It is mobile-first, but does native desktop applications as well. Very battle tested and natively compiled fast code.
- ipsum2 6y ago
  > Very battle tested Desktop support is very new and still in beta: https://flutter.dev/desktop https://flutter.dev/desktop
- alskdj21 6y ago
  I don't see the hate around Flutter here on HN. Yes, it's Google, it's bound(?) to die. But for now, people are productive with it. > battle tested Desktop support is far from the ideal situation(alpha). As far as I'm aware, the iOS jank is still an issue.
  - zibzab 6y ago
    Flutter looks great on paper, but is a pain to use in real projects unless your app 90% overlaps with one of the included samples. Also, it's Google. You never know if it will be around next year which means using it in production is a huge risk.
- eggy 6y ago
  I prefer C#/F# over Dart, but Flutter is promising, and I continue to check in once and a while. I usually overcome PL preferences when the platform or toolkit is compelling. I remember Notch (of Minecraft fame) adopted Dart very early on, and I actually tried it out back then. Somebody had written a Lisp in Dart. I really like F#, and it seems to be sidelined all the time with .NET. There are more and more ways to write C# in a functional way, and it has become the lingua franca of many game engine/3D media creation tools like Unity, Wave Engine, Flax, and Stride to name a few.
  - chgibb 6y ago
    Very early days still but support for C# is on the roadmap https://hydro-sdk.io/ https://hydro-sdk.io/
- datavirtue 6y ago
  Java and C# are "battle tested." Flutter is an experimental Google project.
  - timsneath 6y ago
    I'm not sure what your bar is for "experimental", but Flutter is one of the most popular UI toolkits out there, with many 100m+ MAU apps using it, including tens from Google itself. It's already shipped a 2.0 release, has 15,000+ packages on the pub.dev package server, is the framework Ubuntu has settled on for new desktop apps, has hundreds of active contributors, and is one of the top ten OSS projects on GitHub. "Experimental" feels like an odd word choice, if you're truly trying to offer useful information. [Disclosure: I work on the Flutter team.]
    - tracker1 6y ago
      A lot of devs are risk adverse when choosing platforms for projects. There's still risk as in, will this still be supported in 3-5 years and is the API going to change so much in 1-2 years I'll be rewriting significant portions of my application. I've been passively looking at Flutter with interrest.
    - meamin 6y ago
      Also, the Dart lang team seems to consider Flutter a first class citizen and has been modifing the language for it specifically. From syntactical sugar for Flutter's constructors to carefully selecting language features considering muilti-target platform performance. It really is the project to beat. I am not sure how you are gonna drop a framework over C# and compete with a framework/lang combo long term.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      Some people think like this: if i write an app and come back in 10 years, is it still going to work, compile, and be possible to update? By that benchmark very few platforms are acceptable, and they are mostly first party. That standard makes sence if you have a rigid hardware-like approach
- tffgg 6y ago
  Doesn't use native controls
aidenn0 6y ago
IMO, Tk is by far the best for targeting multiplatform desktop. Qt is a close second and Gtk is "sticks out like a sore thumb, but works" I don't think Tk runs on iOS, which is why Tk is usually disqualified in "multiplatform" recommendations MAUI and Xamarin.Forms both have "okay" linux support last time I checked.
- bitwize 6y ago
  Tk also looks like ass in today's environment of ｍｏｄｅｒｎ apps with their abundance of white space and dearth of affordance. Your Windows 9x-like Tk app will stick out like a sore thumb.
- deleted 6y ago
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- bscphil 6y ago
  To put the question a bit more nicely than my sibling, don't Tk apps all look... really bad? I don't know if I've ever seen a Tk app that tried to mimic native widgets at all. For example, the most prominent Tk application I'm aware of looks like this on Windows: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Scid_4.62-Win7.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Scid_4.6... On Linux (where I use it), it looks even worse. While Qt doesn't use real native widgets on all platforms (IIRC), it at least seems to effectively mimic them under most conditions.
  - nyanpasu64 6y ago
    Last time I checked (years ago), apps using ttk widgets (rather than old tk widgets) look nearly native on Windows, but still ugly on Linux (matching neither GTK nor Qt themes).
  - aidenn0 6y ago
    ttk (which was introduced in tcl 8.4, circa 2002) uses native widgets on Windows and Mac. The default theme on linux is ugly, but there are reasonable themes available. There was an attempt at a GTK backend for ttk on linux, but apparently there were technical difficulties so it was abandoned.
worble 6y ago
Unless something has changed recently, MAUI won't support Linux on release.
ripley12 6y ago
FWIW, I'm in the same bucket and I'm leaning toward Blazor. There's a big push in .NET 6 to deliver "Blazor Desktop", which is essentially more native wrappers around Blazor Server: https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/27217 https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/27217 Might not fit your needs (it is bringing web technology to native apps, much like Electron) but I think it has more of a future than XAML. And the underlying technologies (Razor, Blazor Server) have been around for a while so you can get started now even if all the pieces aren't quite there. edit: rereading the MAUI repo, it looks like hosting Blazor inside a MAUI app will be an option. Nice.
powerlogic31 6y ago
Does Godot the game engine count? I've seen it used in a pixelorama and some map modeling program. Also it's cross platform with c# support and gdscript pretty easy to understand.
tomc1985 6y ago
I think I may have gotten this tech mixed up with Avalonia. Though, one integrates the other IIRC?
bionade24 6y ago
Try QtQuick2 if you want to target mobile, too. QtWidgwts for desktop only.

kreitje 6y ago

It will be out with dotnet 6 later this year.

miohtama 6y ago

Have you looked Flutter? It is mobile-first, but does native desktop applications as well. Very battle tested and natively compiled fast code.

ipsum2 6y ago
> Very battle tested Desktop support is very new and still in beta: https://flutter.dev/desktop https://flutter.dev/desktop
alskdj21 6y ago
I don't see the hate around Flutter here on HN. Yes, it's Google, it's bound(?) to die. But for now, people are productive with it. > battle tested Desktop support is far from the ideal situation(alpha). As far as I'm aware, the iOS jank is still an issue.
- zibzab 6y ago
  Flutter looks great on paper, but is a pain to use in real projects unless your app 90% overlaps with one of the included samples. Also, it's Google. You never know if it will be around next year which means using it in production is a huge risk.
eggy 6y ago
I prefer C#/F# over Dart, but Flutter is promising, and I continue to check in once and a while. I usually overcome PL preferences when the platform or toolkit is compelling. I remember Notch (of Minecraft fame) adopted Dart very early on, and I actually tried it out back then. Somebody had written a Lisp in Dart. I really like F#, and it seems to be sidelined all the time with .NET. There are more and more ways to write C# in a functional way, and it has become the lingua franca of many game engine/3D media creation tools like Unity, Wave Engine, Flax, and Stride to name a few.
- chgibb 6y ago
  Very early days still but support for C# is on the roadmap https://hydro-sdk.io/ https://hydro-sdk.io/
datavirtue 6y ago
Java and C# are "battle tested." Flutter is an experimental Google project.
- timsneath 6y ago
  I'm not sure what your bar is for "experimental", but Flutter is one of the most popular UI toolkits out there, with many 100m+ MAU apps using it, including tens from Google itself. It's already shipped a 2.0 release, has 15,000+ packages on the pub.dev package server, is the framework Ubuntu has settled on for new desktop apps, has hundreds of active contributors, and is one of the top ten OSS projects on GitHub. "Experimental" feels like an odd word choice, if you're truly trying to offer useful information. [Disclosure: I work on the Flutter team.]
  - tracker1 6y ago
    A lot of devs are risk adverse when choosing platforms for projects. There's still risk as in, will this still be supported in 3-5 years and is the API going to change so much in 1-2 years I'll be rewriting significant portions of my application. I've been passively looking at Flutter with interrest.
  - meamin 6y ago
    Also, the Dart lang team seems to consider Flutter a first class citizen and has been modifing the language for it specifically. From syntactical sugar for Flutter's constructors to carefully selecting language features considering muilti-target platform performance. It really is the project to beat. I am not sure how you are gonna drop a framework over C# and compete with a framework/lang combo long term.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    Some people think like this: if i write an app and come back in 10 years, is it still going to work, compile, and be possible to update? By that benchmark very few platforms are acceptable, and they are mostly first party. That standard makes sence if you have a rigid hardware-like approach
tffgg 6y ago
Doesn't use native controls

aidenn0 6y ago

IMO, Tk is by far the best for targeting multiplatform desktop. Qt is a close second and Gtk is "sticks out like a sore thumb, but works" I don't think Tk runs on iOS, which is why Tk is usually disqualified in "multiplatform" recommendations MAUI and Xamarin.Forms both have "okay" linux support last time I checked.

bitwize 6y ago
Tk also looks like ass in today's environment of ｍｏｄｅｒｎ apps with their abundance of white space and dearth of affordance. Your Windows 9x-like Tk app will stick out like a sore thumb.
deleted 6y ago
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bscphil 6y ago
To put the question a bit more nicely than my sibling, don't Tk apps all look... really bad? I don't know if I've ever seen a Tk app that tried to mimic native widgets at all. For example, the most prominent Tk application I'm aware of looks like this on Windows: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Scid_4.62-Win7.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Scid_4.6... On Linux (where I use it), it looks even worse. While Qt doesn't use real native widgets on all platforms (IIRC), it at least seems to effectively mimic them under most conditions.
- nyanpasu64 6y ago
  Last time I checked (years ago), apps using ttk widgets (rather than old tk widgets) look nearly native on Windows, but still ugly on Linux (matching neither GTK nor Qt themes).
- aidenn0 6y ago
  ttk (which was introduced in tcl 8.4, circa 2002) uses native widgets on Windows and Mac. The default theme on linux is ugly, but there are reasonable themes available. There was an attempt at a GTK backend for ttk on linux, but apparently there were technical difficulties so it was abandoned.

worble 6y ago

Unless something has changed recently, MAUI won't support Linux on release.

ripley12 6y ago

FWIW, I'm in the same bucket and I'm leaning toward Blazor. There's a big push in .NET 6 to deliver "Blazor Desktop", which is essentially more native wrappers around Blazor Server: https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/27217 https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/27217 Might not fit your needs (it is bringing web technology to native apps, much like Electron) but I think it has more of a future than XAML. And the underlying technologies (Razor, Blazor Server) have been around for a while so you can get started now even if all the pieces aren't quite there. edit: rereading the MAUI repo, it looks like hosting Blazor inside a MAUI app will be an option. Nice.

powerlogic31 6y ago

Does Godot the game engine count? I've seen it used in a pixelorama and some map modeling program. Also it's cross platform with c# support and gdscript pretty easy to understand.

tomc1985 6y ago

I think I may have gotten this tech mixed up with Avalonia. Though, one integrates the other IIRC?

bionade24 6y ago

Try QtQuick2 if you want to target mobile, too. QtWidgwts for desktop only.