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Poaching employees from a competitor is not economic espionage. It's extremely common. And then here's the key line: > No one knows who managed to hack Nortel

Poaching employees from a competitor is not economic espionage. It's extremely common. And then here's the key line: > No one knows who managed to hack Nortel or where that data went in China. This is all so vague, whereas the reasons for Huawei's growth and Nortel's demise are so much more concrete. For Huawei, the ability to capture a sizeable chunk of the market in China for cheap telephone switches, aided by its lower labor costs, better knowledge of the local market, and some level of protectionism. For Nortel, serious mismanagement and a financial scandal. The thesis of the article, that economic espionage in the 2000s did in Nortel, is not plausible. It just looks like blame-shifting from a former Nortel employee, which Bloomberg decided to trumpet during a time (2000) when the US government was waging was a major anti-Huawei campaign.

boringg 6y ago
Probably all of our point are true to a point and all contribute. Again I’m not arguing about nortels downfall (which you seem to be focused on maybe because that is a lot easier to discuss than huaweis trustworthiness), I’m pointing to why Huawei is not a trusted company. If you can convince me of it’s trustworthiness please do - otherwise I will rely on the multiple sources of material that seem to point to its connections to the Chinese government. And yes most state sponsored hacks are difficult to figure out exactly the source and end use of the data. Look at what’s happening right now with the solar winds back for instance.
- emodendroket 6y ago
  > otherwise I will rely on the multiple sources of material that seem to point to its connections to the Chinese government Is the expectation that businesses are supposed to simply ignore the authority of the sovereign states they operate in? There seems to be a bit of circular logic going on here.
  - boringg 6y ago
    Agreed. You’ve proven my point. The trustworthiness of Huawei is interwoven with their government which has proven to be untrustworthy and one which I wouldn’t want to build critical intelligence infrastructure upon.

boringg 6y ago

Probably all of our point are true to a point and all contribute. Again I’m not arguing about nortels downfall (which you seem to be focused on maybe because that is a lot easier to discuss than huaweis trustworthiness), I’m pointing to why Huawei is not a trusted company. If you can convince me of it’s trustworthiness please do - otherwise I will rely on the multiple sources of material that seem to point to its connections to the Chinese government. And yes most state sponsored hacks are difficult to figure out exactly the source and end use of the data. Look at what’s happening right now with the solar winds back for instance.

emodendroket 6y ago
> otherwise I will rely on the multiple sources of material that seem to point to its connections to the Chinese government Is the expectation that businesses are supposed to simply ignore the authority of the sovereign states they operate in? There seems to be a bit of circular logic going on here.
- boringg 6y ago
  Agreed. You’ve proven my point. The trustworthiness of Huawei is interwoven with their government which has proven to be untrustworthy and one which I wouldn’t want to build critical intelligence infrastructure upon.