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> the other uses client-server cryptography pretending to be end-to-end This is misleading and false. Wormhole.app uses end-to-end encryption. To address the
by feross 6y ago
> the other uses client-server cryptography pretending to be end-to-end
This is misleading and false. Wormhole.app uses end-to-end encryption.
To address the larger point – auditing a web app is indeed challenging with current web technologies. In the past, I experimented with a technique using App Cache to permanently cache a web app on first use [1]. Later, that technique was expanded into hyperboot [2] to give users the benefits of explicit, immutable versioning with control over upgrades using the html-version-spec while preserving the simplicity of passing around a URL.
With the impending removal of AppCache from most browsers, the web is currently missing a way to "pin" a site to a specific version and only update it with user consent. Service Workers come close but they mandate a 24 hour maximum cache time before refetching from the server.
We'd love to offer the usability benefits of web apps – you can give someone a URL and they can immediately load the app – with the security of installed apps – doesn't change without warning – once web standards catch up. This is something that I care deeply about.
In the meantime, use magic-wormhole if you prefer a locally-installed command line tool and you're sending files to someone who understands the command line. Use Wormhole.app if you want usable end-to-end encryption, similar to what Firefox Send used to provide.
[1]: https://github.com/feross/infinite-app-cache https://github.com/feross/infinite-app-cache
[2]: https://github.com/substack/hyperboot https://github.com/substack/hyperboot
- tptacek 6y agoI stand by my analysis.
- psanford 6y ago> if you prefer a locally-installed command line tool and you're sending files to someone who understands the command line There's at least one good desktop GUI for Magic Wormhole[0]. I've also recently released an Magic Wormhole Android app[1][2]. [0]: https://github.com/Jacalz/wormhole-gui https://github.com/Jacalz/wormhole-gui [1]: https://github.com/psanford/wormhole-william-mobile https://github.com/psanford/wormhole-william-mobile [2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.sanford.wormhole_william https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.sanford.wor...