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This was indeed one of Apple's best moves ever. I've been happily using the M1 MacBook Air. So long as you steer clear of heavy apps that aren't M1-optimized, t

by ttul 6y ago

This was indeed one of Apple's best moves ever. I've been happily using the M1 MacBook Air. So long as you steer clear of heavy apps that aren't M1-optimized, the battery life is insane and the device seems to make use of the high performance cores, which really scream. I am confident that the iMac will take advantage of that huge wedge of metal to dissipate heat even better than the laptops do. That will allow it to run all the cores all the time. My impression is people will be extremely happy with this hardware. I'm a total fanatic. I'll be dumping all my money into this new gear on April 30th.

rvz 6y ago
From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultaneously which I can already do on my older Macbook. The M2 / M3 enabled Mac would be a more worthy upgrade, depending whether or not if they have addressed these issues rather than getting last years model. From the parent comment: > I'm a total fanatic. I'll be dumping all my money into this new gear on April 30th. I hope this is a joke right? Since I would rather dump that money on some cryptocurrency on April 30th, than dump it all on another beautiful expensive downgrade. At least wait until WWDC. To Downvoters: Given one already has a Macbook, I am in no rush to purchase either last years model or to purchase another shiny new one; especially if it is a first gen M1. The fanatics will say the same thing in WWDC and in September when they realise their 1st gen transition technology is already replaced. By then the software ecosystem for M1 is hopefully optimised and somewhat stabilised. Plenty of time to wait.
- dijit 6y ago
  The hype so far is very well justified, though. There are issues, for sure, the "2 displays, max" limitation, the memory limitation, these are real problems- but they're not hidden away, they're well known and understood and if you can live with that then these are genuinely generational leaps in terms of performance/watt which _really matters_. Your negativity is misplaced, the machines limitations are well understood and the performance advantages known too. We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that.
  - ttul 6y ago
    I'm a little surprised that they didn't do an M2 chip for the iMac. However, perhaps they'll roll that out later this year with a 27" iMac refresh. In any case, the M1 is insanely fast and will be more than fantastic for most people.
  - rvz 6y ago
    > We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that. Given what Apple has done for their A10+ series processors, in their iPhones and iPads, I am long term Apple Silicon and not long term M1 which is why I skipping it and ignoring the 'huge performance wins _today_' crowd which means get in the M1 hype now, until the M1X, M2 hype starts, which is pointless and short term. What I'm saying is either stay on Intel until the Apple Silicon ecosystem is stable, then jump on at least M1X or M2 Macs and higher. Or go all in on M2 later. It is not even a secret that Apple is 3 years ahead of product releases. Thus it is better to wait. Patience comes to those who wait.
    - dijit 6y ago
      But, I’m sorry, that makes little sense to me. If I’m in the market for a laptop I would not buy an Intel Mac. Like you said, 3 generations ahead, it would be foolish. If we take what you said at face value then going from the latest Intel Mac to the M1 Mac is enough for most people to upgrade regardless (usual upgrade cycle is 3-5 generations). But I wasn’t making the argument that everyone should throw away their Intel Mac’s- only that if you can live with the limitations (as in, they don’t harm your productivity at all, many non-devs do use only one external screen if they use one at all) then it’s a no brainer and deserves the hype it gets.
      - rvz 6y ago
        Everyone here in this thread is talking about 'upgrading'. We are not talking about new users who don't have a Macbook. Both the comments I replied to previously have stated they 'upgraded' to the M1 Macbooks. I obviously said 'Given one already has a Macbook'. > If we take what you said at face value then going from the latest Intel Mac to the M1 Mac is enough for most people to upgrade regardless So you want to tell me that it's worth upgrading to the M1 Macbook in 2020 even when someone already has bought an Intel Macbook in the same year, telling them to waste another $1000+? Most people don't upgrade their Macs like they upgrade their iPhones so your comment about 'upgrading' absolutely makes no sense to the average user. Perhaps it makes sense to the devoted Apple fanatic in the comments above. They already said they have 'upgraded' to the M1 Macbook and now will buy the latest M1 iMac by saying 'I'll be dumping all my money into this new gear on April 30th.' Again, most people are not Apple 'fanatics' and always listen to whatever Apple is marketing in front of their presentations. Instead they ignore the hype squad, read the disclaimers, compatibility reviews (does it run X or Y) and what will break and then buy in when it makes sense. So, given one already has an Intel Macbook (Even if it is a 2020 version) and hasn't bought into the M1 mania, why would they want to 'upgrade now' to last year's model when they can wait for M1X or M2 this year for a newer line up? Intel is still supported for several years so there is no hurry. By the time Intel support is phased out, the M1 is ancient history and it will be an M2 or an M3 line up. So it's quite clever to be bullish on Apple Silicon in general and not be long term with M1.
- staticfloat 6y ago
  In case there's anyone out there with an M1 MBP that desperately wants multiple monitors, if you use a DisplayLink compatible external dock, something about the alternate driver that such a dock uses allows for multiple monitors. I personally use the Dell D6000 to run three external displays in addition to the built-in display off of my M1 MBP and it works quite well. You can see a list of DisplayLink docking stations here [0]. [0] https://www.displaylink.com/products/universal-docking-stations https://www.displaylink.com/products/universal-docking-stati...
  - SXX 6y ago
    Any chance that you know of any good dock station with 3 HDMI ports? Since DP on my monitors is used by desktop GPU.
    - wil421 6y ago
      Good luck. Even with my old intel based Mac I struggled to find a decent dock. Lots of docks have DisplayPorts and hdmi or if you’re unlikely like myself you are forced to use USB C to hdmi dongles. I haven’t bought a DisplayLink and probably won’t. Once an Arm based Mac comes out with dual monitor support I’m giving my wife the M1 Air and buying a new one.
      - SXX 6y ago
        I guess I'll just go with hardware splitter then.
  - sprite 6y ago
    Is there any adapter that will let me run my 2 LG 5k monitors on a M1 MacBook Pro?
- pentae 6y ago
  This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified. It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong.
  - rvz 6y ago
    > This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified. I'm pretty much laughing at the fanatics here and the early adopters, especially the existing power users and developers who went all in and bought it on launch day and until now who were hit with multiple bugs, unstable 'workarounds', beta preview software issues, recovery OS failures and so on with the immature software ecosystem on the M1 which they don't tell you about here. That was the hype. I am long term Apple Silicon, but not any 1st generation Apple product or even M1. > It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong. Was this you with the 'fanatics' on launch day suggesting macOS for Docker on Apple Silicon at the time? [0] Say I immediately joined the hype train in November, you're telling me that I have to wait almost half a year since the launch of M1 for Docker to be stable? You might as well skip last year's model and go for the M1X or M2 Macbook. No point chasing a 6 month old product when the software was not even ready and Apple will refresh the line up to M1X or M2 this year. For professionals and existing Mac users, the rule still stands. It's always about the tiny small prints that Apple discloses or what they just don't tell you until you actually buy it but it's clear that many others have already done this for me; Including yourself. I don't upgrade my Macs as if they are iPhones. Unlike most here. By the time I move to Apple Silicon, all these issues and limitations will be fixed on a M1X/M2 Mac or higher. No rush to get last year's model and plenty of time to wait for the Intel Macs to be unsupported and I will be getting a newer generation Apple Silicon-based Mac. Not specifically M1. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25081189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25081189

by ttul 6y ago

rvz 6y ago

From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultaneously which I can already do on my older Macbook. The M2 / M3 enabled Mac would be a more worthy upgrade, depending whether or not if they have addressed these issues rather than getting last years model. From the parent comment: > I'm a total fanatic. I'll be dumping all my money into this new gear on April 30th. I hope this is a joke right? Since I would rather dump that money on some cryptocurrency on April 30th, than dump it all on another beautiful expensive downgrade. At least wait until WWDC. To Downvoters: Given one already has a Macbook, I am in no rush to purchase either last years model or to purchase another shiny new one; especially if it is a first gen M1. The fanatics will say the same thing in WWDC and in September when they realise their 1st gen transition technology is already replaced. By then the software ecosystem for M1 is hopefully optimised and somewhat stabilised. Plenty of time to wait.

dijit 6y ago
The hype so far is very well justified, though. There are issues, for sure, the "2 displays, max" limitation, the memory limitation, these are real problems- but they're not hidden away, they're well known and understood and if you can live with that then these are genuinely generational leaps in terms of performance/watt which _really matters_. Your negativity is misplaced, the machines limitations are well understood and the performance advantages known too. We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that.
- ttul 6y ago
  I'm a little surprised that they didn't do an M2 chip for the iMac. However, perhaps they'll roll that out later this year with a 27" iMac refresh. In any case, the M1 is insanely fast and will be more than fantastic for most people.
- rvz 6y ago
  > We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that. Given what Apple has done for their A10+ series processors, in their iPhones and iPads, I am long term Apple Silicon and not long term M1 which is why I skipping it and ignoring the 'huge performance wins _today_' crowd which means get in the M1 hype now, until the M1X, M2 hype starts, which is pointless and short term. What I'm saying is either stay on Intel until the Apple Silicon ecosystem is stable, then jump on at least M1X or M2 Macs and higher. Or go all in on M2 later. It is not even a secret that Apple is 3 years ahead of product releases. Thus it is better to wait. Patience comes to those who wait.
  - dijit 6y ago
    But, I’m sorry, that makes little sense to me. If I’m in the market for a laptop I would not buy an Intel Mac. Like you said, 3 generations ahead, it would be foolish. If we take what you said at face value then going from the latest Intel Mac to the M1 Mac is enough for most people to upgrade regardless (usual upgrade cycle is 3-5 generations). But I wasn’t making the argument that everyone should throw away their Intel Mac’s- only that if you can live with the limitations (as in, they don’t harm your productivity at all, many non-devs do use only one external screen if they use one at all) then it’s a no brainer and deserves the hype it gets.
    - rvz 6y ago
      Everyone here in this thread is talking about 'upgrading'. We are not talking about new users who don't have a Macbook. Both the comments I replied to previously have stated they 'upgraded' to the M1 Macbooks. I obviously said 'Given one already has a Macbook'. > If we take what you said at face value then going from the latest Intel Mac to the M1 Mac is enough for most people to upgrade regardless So you want to tell me that it's worth upgrading to the M1 Macbook in 2020 even when someone already has bought an Intel Macbook in the same year, telling them to waste another $1000+? Most people don't upgrade their Macs like they upgrade their iPhones so your comment about 'upgrading' absolutely makes no sense to the average user. Perhaps it makes sense to the devoted Apple fanatic in the comments above. They already said they have 'upgraded' to the M1 Macbook and now will buy the latest M1 iMac by saying 'I'll be dumping all my money into this new gear on April 30th.' Again, most people are not Apple 'fanatics' and always listen to whatever Apple is marketing in front of their presentations. Instead they ignore the hype squad, read the disclaimers, compatibility reviews (does it run X or Y) and what will break and then buy in when it makes sense. So, given one already has an Intel Macbook (Even if it is a 2020 version) and hasn't bought into the M1 mania, why would they want to 'upgrade now' to last year's model when they can wait for M1X or M2 this year for a newer line up? Intel is still supported for several years so there is no hurry. By the time Intel support is phased out, the M1 is ancient history and it will be an M2 or an M3 line up. So it's quite clever to be bullish on Apple Silicon in general and not be long term with M1.
staticfloat 6y ago
In case there's anyone out there with an M1 MBP that desperately wants multiple monitors, if you use a DisplayLink compatible external dock, something about the alternate driver that such a dock uses allows for multiple monitors. I personally use the Dell D6000 to run three external displays in addition to the built-in display off of my M1 MBP and it works quite well. You can see a list of DisplayLink docking stations here [0]. [0] https://www.displaylink.com/products/universal-docking-stations https://www.displaylink.com/products/universal-docking-stati...
- SXX 6y ago
  Any chance that you know of any good dock station with 3 HDMI ports? Since DP on my monitors is used by desktop GPU.
  - wil421 6y ago
    Good luck. Even with my old intel based Mac I struggled to find a decent dock. Lots of docks have DisplayPorts and hdmi or if you’re unlikely like myself you are forced to use USB C to hdmi dongles. I haven’t bought a DisplayLink and probably won’t. Once an Arm based Mac comes out with dual monitor support I’m giving my wife the M1 Air and buying a new one.
    - SXX 6y ago
      I guess I'll just go with hardware splitter then.
- sprite 6y ago
  Is there any adapter that will let me run my 2 LG 5k monitors on a M1 MacBook Pro?
pentae 6y ago
This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified. It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong.
- rvz 6y ago
  > This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified. I'm pretty much laughing at the fanatics here and the early adopters, especially the existing power users and developers who went all in and bought it on launch day and until now who were hit with multiple bugs, unstable 'workarounds', beta preview software issues, recovery OS failures and so on with the immature software ecosystem on the M1 which they don't tell you about here. That was the hype. I am long term Apple Silicon, but not any 1st generation Apple product or even M1. > It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong. Was this you with the 'fanatics' on launch day suggesting macOS for Docker on Apple Silicon at the time? [0] Say I immediately joined the hype train in November, you're telling me that I have to wait almost half a year since the launch of M1 for Docker to be stable? You might as well skip last year's model and go for the M1X or M2 Macbook. No point chasing a 6 month old product when the software was not even ready and Apple will refresh the line up to M1X or M2 this year. For professionals and existing Mac users, the rule still stands. It's always about the tiny small prints that Apple discloses or what they just don't tell you until you actually buy it but it's clear that many others have already done this for me; Including yourself. I don't upgrade my Macs as if they are iPhones. Unlike most here. By the time I move to Apple Silicon, all these issues and limitations will be fixed on a M1X/M2 Mac or higher. No rush to get last year's model and plenty of time to wait for the Intel Macs to be unsupported and I will be getting a newer generation Apple Silicon-based Mac. Not specifically M1. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25081189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25081189