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I don't think "most" mice and keyboards are USB-A: bluetooth peripherals eclipsed wired peripherals ages ago. Yes, most of the decent new ones charge via USB-C

I don't think "most" mice and keyboards are USB-A: bluetooth peripherals eclipsed wired peripherals ages ago. Yes, most of the decent new ones charge via USB-C.

slantyyz 6y ago
I have a recent vintage Logitech mouse (came out this year). The charging port on the mouse, is USB-C, but the charging cable it came with was still A to C. Same goes for the 2.4Ghz unified dongle it came with.
- websites2323 6y ago
  The receiver being USBA is a definitely a miss on Logitech’s part. BT is spotty on my macs with these mice.
- etqwzutewzu 6y ago
  Logitech MX Master 3 for Mac and MX Anywhere 3 for Mac have USB-C to USB-C charging.
  - slantyyz 6y ago
    I have the generic Graphite MX Anywhere 3
mort96 6y ago
So, I was curious if you are correct and the market has changed a lot, or if I'm correct and most peripherals still use USB-A. So I checked out the website of a tech reseller, sorted their keyboards by most sold, and counted the technology used. Before I stopped counting, I found 8 wireless keyboards using bluetooth, 9 wireless keyboards using a USB-A receiver, and 10 wired keyboards using a USB-A cable. It seems like USB-A is still alive and well in the peripheral ecosystem. Here's a link to the search results page I used: https://www.komplett.no/category/10264/datautstyr/pc-tilbehoer/mus/tastatur?nlevel=10000%C2%A728004%C2%A710264%C2%A710267&nlevel=10000%C2%A728004%C2%A710264%C2%A711154&sort=OrderedTimes_bf%3ADESCENDING https://www.komplett.no/category/10264/datautstyr/pc-tilbeho... It's a website which is commonly used by gamers, so wired keyboards may be over-represented compared to the general population. But it clearly shows that actually, USB-A is still really commonly used in new peripherals sold today.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
  Yeah, it should go without saying that gamers and people who code are in a different class: hobbyists. I'm one of them, and most of the people on this site are too. We love our periphs. I have a wireless (mech) keyboard and a wireless mouse that both charge via usb-C cables, though it is something I filtered by when I was shopping for them a year or so ago in anticipation of this happening. I think Apple (correctly) determined that these folks will tolerate whatever they put out, buy adapters to use their beloved special keyboard, etc. And for the ones who won't tolerate it: they're probably not buying Apple hardware anyway.
  - mort96 6y ago
    I mean, now your argument has changed from "most peripherals use bluetooth so it doesn't matter" to "most peripherals use USB-A, but many Apple users will nonetheless tolerate the lack of USB-A on their desktops". I can't really argue against that, and maybe it's correct. EDIT: Just to respond to the "gamers and people who code are in a different class" thing: I went to a different store which is more general, went through the most sold keyboards, and skipped all "gaming" keyboards (so everything from Razer, everything branded Logitech G, everything with RGB), and counted to 14 bluetooth keyboards and 19 keyboards which require USB-A (7 wired, 12 with the USB receiver dongle). People just use USB-A peripherals a whole lot. (Store URL: https://www.elkjop.no/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/store-elkjop-Site/no_NO/-/NOK/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CategoryName=no-tastatur&CategoryDomainName=store-elkjop-ProductCatalog&SearchParameter=%26%40QueryTerm%3D*%26ContextCategoryUUID%3DL0qsGQWEi34AAAFq6gQO5bD1%26discontinued%3D0%26online%3D1&SortingAttribute=SoldQuantity-desc&select-sort-refine=SoldQuantity-desc https://www.elkjop.no/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/store-elkjop-Site/no...)
    - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
      I think we mostly agree, we're just splitting hairs over the word "use". I'd say my mouse "uses" bluetooth instead of USB, even though it does still technically "use" USB as well to charge, albeit very infrequently. I am surprised that most peripherals do still use USB-A to charge, and my argument did change to reflect that new information.

I don't think "most" mice and keyboards are USB-A: bluetooth peripherals eclipsed wired peripherals ages ago. Yes, most of the decent new ones charge via USB-C.

slantyyz 6y ago

I have a recent vintage Logitech mouse (came out this year). The charging port on the mouse, is USB-C, but the charging cable it came with was still A to C. Same goes for the 2.4Ghz unified dongle it came with.

websites2323 6y ago
The receiver being USBA is a definitely a miss on Logitech’s part. BT is spotty on my macs with these mice.
etqwzutewzu 6y ago
Logitech MX Master 3 for Mac and MX Anywhere 3 for Mac have USB-C to USB-C charging.
- slantyyz 6y ago
  I have the generic Graphite MX Anywhere 3

mort96 6y ago

So, I was curious if you are correct and the market has changed a lot, or if I'm correct and most peripherals still use USB-A. So I checked out the website of a tech reseller, sorted their keyboards by most sold, and counted the technology used. Before I stopped counting, I found 8 wireless keyboards using bluetooth, 9 wireless keyboards using a USB-A receiver, and 10 wired keyboards using a USB-A cable. It seems like USB-A is still alive and well in the peripheral ecosystem. Here's a link to the search results page I used: https://www.komplett.no/category/10264/datautstyr/pc-tilbehoer/mus/tastatur?nlevel=10000%C2%A728004%C2%A710264%C2%A710267&nlevel=10000%C2%A728004%C2%A710264%C2%A711154&sort=OrderedTimes_bf%3ADESCENDING https://www.komplett.no/category/10264/datautstyr/pc-tilbeho... It's a website which is commonly used by gamers, so wired keyboards may be over-represented compared to the general population. But it clearly shows that actually, USB-A is still really commonly used in new peripherals sold today.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
Yeah, it should go without saying that gamers and people who code are in a different class: hobbyists. I'm one of them, and most of the people on this site are too. We love our periphs. I have a wireless (mech) keyboard and a wireless mouse that both charge via usb-C cables, though it is something I filtered by when I was shopping for them a year or so ago in anticipation of this happening. I think Apple (correctly) determined that these folks will tolerate whatever they put out, buy adapters to use their beloved special keyboard, etc. And for the ones who won't tolerate it: they're probably not buying Apple hardware anyway.
- mort96 6y ago
  I mean, now your argument has changed from "most peripherals use bluetooth so it doesn't matter" to "most peripherals use USB-A, but many Apple users will nonetheless tolerate the lack of USB-A on their desktops". I can't really argue against that, and maybe it's correct. EDIT: Just to respond to the "gamers and people who code are in a different class" thing: I went to a different store which is more general, went through the most sold keyboards, and skipped all "gaming" keyboards (so everything from Razer, everything branded Logitech G, everything with RGB), and counted to 14 bluetooth keyboards and 19 keyboards which require USB-A (7 wired, 12 with the USB receiver dongle). People just use USB-A peripherals a whole lot. (Store URL: https://www.elkjop.no/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/store-elkjop-Site/no_NO/-/NOK/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CategoryName=no-tastatur&CategoryDomainName=store-elkjop-ProductCatalog&SearchParameter=%26%40QueryTerm%3D*%26ContextCategoryUUID%3DL0qsGQWEi34AAAFq6gQO5bD1%26discontinued%3D0%26online%3D1&SortingAttribute=SoldQuantity-desc&select-sort-refine=SoldQuantity-desc https://www.elkjop.no/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/store-elkjop-Site/no...)
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
    I think we mostly agree, we're just splitting hairs over the word "use". I'd say my mouse "uses" bluetooth instead of USB, even though it does still technically "use" USB as well to charge, albeit very infrequently. I am surprised that most peripherals do still use USB-A to charge, and my argument did change to reflect that new information.