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Wormhole.app and magic-wormhole have different goals. Wormhole.app works in the browser, which means that it provides usable security to normal people. No `pip

by feross 6y ago

Wormhole.app and magic-wormhole have different goals. Wormhole.app works in the browser, which means that it provides usable security to normal people. No `pip install` or command line needed. Wormhole.app stores end-to-end encrypted files for 24 hours so the share link continues to work even after the sender closes the tab or powers off their device.

psanford 6y ago
Indeed it is different enough to justify using a different name.
phildenhoff 6y ago
I was very excited to check this out, as I imagined `Wormhole.app` was a MacOS package for `magic-wormhole`, but, alas, it's just a web app with a very similar name.
- feross 6y ago
  Then you'll also be disappointed if you run: $ brew info wormhole wormhole: 1.5.4 https://er.run/ Not installed From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/HEAD/Casks/wormhole.rb ==> Name Wormhole ==> Description Browse & Control phone on PC, Screen Fusion for iOS & Android ==> Artifacts Wormhole.app (App)
  - tptacek 6y ago
    I'm sure you can see the distinction between two unrelated projects being called "wormhole" and two almost identical projects sharing the same name.
  - neolog 6y ago
    Trademark law uses the "likelihood of confusion" concept.
BiteCode_dev 6y ago
It creates confusion since both share the word wormhole and the goal the share files. If you still can, changing the name of your product would help a lot, and also show respect to the older FOSS project.
godelski 6y ago
That sounds like FireFox's Send. They had problems because it was expensive to operate. How do you solve that issue?
- feross 6y ago
  We're planning to introduce a Pro plan for larger file limits and explore an enterprise version for organizations that have high security requirements (law firms, etc.) that can't use existing cloud storage providers.
tptacek 6y ago
This is a confusing name choice, since the real Magic Wormhole --- whose command is literally "wormhole" --- is vetted and widely used, and this new "Wormhole.app" is not. I'd consider changing it, since you're going to get this response any time you talk about Feross Wormhole among clueful types, and the comparison (right now at least) isn't very favorable to you. At best, it suggests you're not familiar with Magic Wormhole, which would be a strange credential for someone trying to do a new secure file transfer system.
Klonoar 6y ago
There are at least one or two existing magic-wormhole browser implementations.
meejah 6y ago
It sounds like you're suggesting that magic-wormhole only wishes to provide end-to-end encryption to "abnormal" people. I don't believe that's true and there already exist implementations of the open magic-wormhole protocol in several languages. The original magic-wormhole project is at least 6 years old. How did you determine its goals? FWIW, I agree with other comments that you've chosen a confusingly-similar name (and that's unfortunate).

by feross 6y ago

psanford 6y ago

Indeed it is different enough to justify using a different name.

phildenhoff 6y ago

I was very excited to check this out, as I imagined `Wormhole.app` was a MacOS package for `magic-wormhole`, but, alas, it's just a web app with a very similar name.

feross 6y ago
Then you'll also be disappointed if you run: $ brew info wormhole wormhole: 1.5.4 https://er.run/ Not installed From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/HEAD/Casks/wormhole.rb ==> Name Wormhole ==> Description Browse & Control phone on PC, Screen Fusion for iOS & Android ==> Artifacts Wormhole.app (App)
- tptacek 6y ago
  I'm sure you can see the distinction between two unrelated projects being called "wormhole" and two almost identical projects sharing the same name.
- neolog 6y ago
  Trademark law uses the "likelihood of confusion" concept.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago

It creates confusion since both share the word wormhole and the goal the share files. If you still can, changing the name of your product would help a lot, and also show respect to the older FOSS project.

godelski 6y ago

That sounds like FireFox's Send. They had problems because it was expensive to operate. How do you solve that issue?

feross 6y ago
We're planning to introduce a Pro plan for larger file limits and explore an enterprise version for organizations that have high security requirements (law firms, etc.) that can't use existing cloud storage providers.

tptacek 6y ago

This is a confusing name choice, since the real Magic Wormhole --- whose command is literally "wormhole" --- is vetted and widely used, and this new "Wormhole.app" is not. I'd consider changing it, since you're going to get this response any time you talk about Feross Wormhole among clueful types, and the comparison (right now at least) isn't very favorable to you. At best, it suggests you're not familiar with Magic Wormhole, which would be a strange credential for someone trying to do a new secure file transfer system.

Klonoar 6y ago

There are at least one or two existing magic-wormhole browser implementations.

meejah 6y ago

It sounds like you're suggesting that magic-wormhole only wishes to provide end-to-end encryption to "abnormal" people. I don't believe that's true and there already exist implementations of the open magic-wormhole protocol in several languages. The original magic-wormhole project is at least 6 years old. How did you determine its goals? FWIW, I agree with other comments that you've chosen a confusingly-similar name (and that's unfortunate).