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>every time we do what we are told needs to be accomplished the goal posts move It sounds like you feel there is or was some sort of bargain going on. I think

>every time we do what we are told needs to be accomplished the goal posts move It sounds like you feel there is or was some sort of bargain going on. I think I recognize the feeling. For instance, I went for about a decade with no cavities, and I continue to go to the dentist every six months, so I have felt like there was a bargain in some sense - brush and floss and get a checkup regularly, and I won't have any problems. But in between x-rays, it turns out I had some serious decay and had to get a root canal. This produced a strong feeling of betrayal, but at the same time, it's obviously childish and irrational to feel this way, isn't it? I wasn't betrayed by my dentist. Just by fate, if you will.

_-david-_ 6y ago
Your analogy is not correct. Our public health officials explicitly told us to do X and we could get back to normal. The officials then changed what needed to be done to get back to normal. It would be like if your dentist just said if you get a cleaning every 6 months you will not get a cavity. You then get a cavity and they say you need to brush your teeth once a day and get a cleaning every 6 months to avoid cavities. Next time you go the dentist you have a cavity so they say just brush your teeth, get a cleaning every 6 months and floss and you won't get a cavity. Next thing you know you have a cavity and they add brushing your teeth twice a day. This is not a feeling, but explicit statements by public officials. I do not believe either the dentist in the analogy or the public health officials can actually know with any certainty what will happen in the future. Which is why I do not believe they just have made the statements they made. They can perhaps provide a sense of what could happen, but that is not what happened. If the officials just said MAYBE after two weeks we can get back to normal if XYZ have happened then I, and many others, would have far less issues. We would understand that XYZ needs to happen prior to returning to normal. The problem is they explicitly said we just need to do X to get back to normal. When can we actually go back to normal? There doesn't appear to be an explicit end goal that hasn't changed. Our public health officials said just stay at home for two weeks and we can get back to normal. Then don't wear masks. Then always wear a mask. Next it was just wait until it gets warmer in the summer. Then it was just wait until the vaccine. Now some of them are actually saying wait until there are no new cases despite also saying that it will be with us forever and will become seasonal like the flu. If they actually want no new cases and if this does become a seasonal thing then we will literally never return to normal. That is the problem that many of us see. If they were just honest and straight forward with us from the beginning and may not argue we should remain locked down forever there would be far less issues.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  >This is not a feeling, but explicit statements by public officials It is a feeling. How do I know? Because you use the vague phrase "public officials". When people are talking about a group that is not specific, they are necessarily talking about feelings as facts don't constrain it.

_-david-_ 6y ago

Your analogy is not correct. Our public health officials explicitly told us to do X and we could get back to normal. The officials then changed what needed to be done to get back to normal. It would be like if your dentist just said if you get a cleaning every 6 months you will not get a cavity. You then get a cavity and they say you need to brush your teeth once a day and get a cleaning every 6 months to avoid cavities. Next time you go the dentist you have a cavity so they say just brush your teeth, get a cleaning every 6 months and floss and you won't get a cavity. Next thing you know you have a cavity and they add brushing your teeth twice a day. This is not a feeling, but explicit statements by public officials. I do not believe either the dentist in the analogy or the public health officials can actually know with any certainty what will happen in the future. Which is why I do not believe they just have made the statements they made. They can perhaps provide a sense of what could happen, but that is not what happened. If the officials just said MAYBE after two weeks we can get back to normal if XYZ have happened then I, and many others, would have far less issues. We would understand that XYZ needs to happen prior to returning to normal. The problem is they explicitly said we just need to do X to get back to normal. When can we actually go back to normal? There doesn't appear to be an explicit end goal that hasn't changed. Our public health officials said just stay at home for two weeks and we can get back to normal. Then don't wear masks. Then always wear a mask. Next it was just wait until it gets warmer in the summer. Then it was just wait until the vaccine. Now some of them are actually saying wait until there are no new cases despite also saying that it will be with us forever and will become seasonal like the flu. If they actually want no new cases and if this does become a seasonal thing then we will literally never return to normal. That is the problem that many of us see. If they were just honest and straight forward with us from the beginning and may not argue we should remain locked down forever there would be far less issues.

perl4ever 6y ago
>This is not a feeling, but explicit statements by public officials It is a feeling. How do I know? Because you use the vague phrase "public officials". When people are talking about a group that is not specific, they are necessarily talking about feelings as facts don't constrain it.