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This justification is making me strongly reconsider my browser choice.

by ziml77 6y ago

jonpurdy 6y ago
Numerous times in the past couple of years I’ve briefly tried Firefox, or considered trying it again. Stuff like this just keeps coming up completely souring it’s reputation. At least anecdotally speaking, they’re shooting themselves in the foot and I’ll put off touching FF for another few months until I forget about this.
- leppr 6y ago
  Ok but then what do you use? Lynx? Chrome/Chromium/Brave have 10 times the amount of dark patterns. It's sad but the complexity and cruft of browser APIs have created an effective browser duopoly. There are no alternatives for any kind of mainstream usage.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    What are the dark patterns in Brave?
    - CodeGlitch 6y ago
      Yes I've not encountered any yet.
      - BrendanEich 6y ago
        Report them via github, or if you think intentionally dark, via https://hackerone.com/brave https://hackerone.com/brave and we will pay bounty.
        CodeGlitch 6y ago
        And this is why I use Brave. The people at the top are techies - who understand and respond to their users. Mozilla could learn from this. Thanks Brendan.
  - jonpurdy 6y ago
    I use Safari + AdGuard for most things due to the native Mac interface and reduced power consumption. And Chromium + uBlock Origin when I need to use sites that don't work with anything other than Chrome.
- ziml77 6y ago
  They're absolutely shooting themselves in the foot. They need Firefox to stand out from Chrome. Instead they keep trying to turn it into Chrome. There's still some things they have that keep me from switching like some level of support for a tree styled tabs addon, container tabs, and not crippling the abilities of uBO filters. But I'm wondering how long it will be before those advantages go away. The tree style tabs are already suboptimal since the Quantum release. They share the same sidebar as anything else that wants to display in a sidebar and the addon can't toggle the display of the normal tabs.

This justification is making me strongly reconsider my browser choice.

by ziml77 6y ago

This justification is making me strongly reconsider my browser choice.

Numerous times in the past couple of years I’ve briefly tried Firefox, or considered trying it again. Stuff like this just keeps coming up completely souring it’s reputation. At least anecdotally speaking, they’re shooting themselves in the foot and I’ll put off touching FF for another few months until I forget about this.

leppr 6y ago
Ok but then what do you use? Lynx? Chrome/Chromium/Brave have 10 times the amount of dark patterns. It's sad but the complexity and cruft of browser APIs have created an effective browser duopoly. There are no alternatives for any kind of mainstream usage.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  What are the dark patterns in Brave?
  - CodeGlitch 6y ago
    Yes I've not encountered any yet.
    - BrendanEich 6y ago
      Report them via github, or if you think intentionally dark, via https://hackerone.com/brave https://hackerone.com/brave and we will pay bounty.
      - CodeGlitch 6y ago
        And this is why I use Brave. The people at the top are techies - who understand and respond to their users. Mozilla could learn from this. Thanks Brendan.
- jonpurdy 6y ago
  I use Safari + AdGuard for most things due to the native Mac interface and reduced power consumption. And Chromium + uBlock Origin when I need to use sites that don't work with anything other than Chrome.
ziml77 6y ago
They're absolutely shooting themselves in the foot. They need Firefox to stand out from Chrome. Instead they keep trying to turn it into Chrome. There's still some things they have that keep me from switching like some level of support for a tree styled tabs addon, container tabs, and not crippling the abilities of uBO filters. But I'm wondering how long it will be before those advantages go away. The tree style tabs are already suboptimal since the Quantum release. They share the same sidebar as anything else that wants to display in a sidebar and the addon can't toggle the display of the normal tabs.