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> I hope this is either a bug, or misunderstanding: this apparent change does not respect the "Always check if Firefox is your default browser" setting. We abs
by syoc 5y ago
> I hope this is either a bug, or misunderstanding: this apparent change does not respect the "Always check if Firefox is your default browser" setting.
We absolutely continue to respect that check box. We won't always check at startup if Firefox is your default browser. When that box is left checked, you get a modal/prompt at every single startup. It literally always checks if Firefox is your default.
In contrast, the work resulting from this bug is just checking every 5 weeks and we happen to not be default, we'll ask with a more gentle infobar. We won't display the more disruptive modal/prompt.
I love Firefox, just stop shooting yourself in the foot.
There is no way that is a fair interpretation of that option.
- CivBase 5y ago> Why 5 weeks? [...] It's not often enough that it will annoy users. You know what's annoying? Asking me to change something that I've already said no to, especially when you don't give me an obvious way to turn it off. 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 months, doesn't matter. You already asked at install time and every time I started FireFox until finding and changing that setting. If I still haven't approved it and you keep asking, you're just going to piss me off. Respect your users, Mozilla.
- btown 5y agoBut this is somehow even worse: they do give you an obvious way to turn it off, then they ignore that setting 5 weeks later. It's one thing to not ask your users for consent to a thing; it's another to ask them for consent, then intentionally ignore it and do the opposite. One is idiocy; the other borders on malice.
- airhead969 5y agoIs there anything I can help you with? No, thanks; I'm just browsing. Is there anything I can help you with? I just said "no, thanks." Is there anything I can help you with? Hello? Is there anything I can help you with? #$&@! Leave me alone. I'm not a criminal for just browsing here. Can you stop profiling me too? Is there anything I can help you with? ...
- MaxBarraclough 5y ago> just stop shooting yourself in the foot It's just non-stop with Mozilla, isn't it? They have the curious pairing of technical excellence, and a long history of awful non-technical decision-making. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14754740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14754740 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616740 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23391659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23391659 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10680925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10680925 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24144137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24144137 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26262031 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26262031 * http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html * https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1185193 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1185193
- bobthechef 5y agoWhich is a shame because the technical is entirely subordinate to and for the sake of the non-technical ultimately.
- slig 5y agoKick the technical and keep the bureaucrats. What could go wrong?
- BrendanEich 5y agoWere you around in 2014?
- slig 5y agoYes. Thank you for your work all those years.
- stevehawk 5y agobring back Brendan Eich?
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- chrisseaton 5y agoHow do people write this with a straight face? Could they also show the modal 99.99% of the time and claim that meets the language they used?
- iab 5y agoI agree; anyone who deselected that check-box isn’t going to think - “ok now Firefox will only sporadically check if it is the default browser”
- alpaca128 5y agoYep, they might as well hire a lawyer to defend their bad decisions based on the exact wording of settings. Nobody cares if the option doesn't literally imply it'll never "nudge" the user, I'd be annoyed regardless. And it's the only option visible to normal users.
- ziml77 5y agoThis justification is making me strongly reconsider my browser choice.
- jonpurdy 5y agoNumerous times in the past couple of years I’ve briefly tried Firefox, or considered trying it again. Stuff like this just keeps coming up completely souring it’s reputation. At least anecdotally speaking, they’re shooting themselves in the foot and I’ll put off touching FF for another few months until I forget about this.
- leppr 5y agoOk but then what do you use? Lynx? Chrome/Chromium/Brave have 10 times the amount of dark patterns. It's sad but the complexity and cruft of browser APIs have created an effective browser duopoly. There are no alternatives for any kind of mainstream usage.
- Karunamon 5y agoWhat are the dark patterns in Brave?
- CodeGlitch 5y agoYes I've not encountered any yet.
- BrendanEich 5y agoReport them via github, or if you think intentionally dark, via https://hackerone.com/brave https://hackerone.com/brave and we will pay bounty.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoAnd this is why I use Brave. The people at the top are techies - who understand and respond to their users. Mozilla could learn from this. Thanks Brendan.
- corobo 5y agoThey literally have the best (ok, subjectively) browser right now and they're just... What even are they doing? What is their goal with all these user-hostile changes? If it's to try juicing up active userbase just be a good browser and wait for chrome to make a change that annoys everyone (FLoC seems like a good candidate)
- marakv2 5y agoBetter of shit options is leaving us all fucked.
- marakv2 5y agoIt's like a fucking litany. I love you ff, but.... Don't fuck me over but.... I swear to the gods if there was one decent browser that wasn't fucking FF...