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What an absurd comparison. This only tells me that being killed in a mass shooting is very very very unlikely which is in fact true. But being killed by police

by noxer 6y ago

What an absurd comparison. This only tells me that being killed in a mass shooting is very very very unlikely which is in fact true. But being killed by police is also very very very unlikely in fact its de facto zero if you aren't a criminal/drug abuser and comply with police orders.

mbirth 6y ago
Did you not see recent news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ He "only" got pepper-sprayed, but now imagine if he tried to unbuckle himself using his hands where the frightened cop couldn't see them...
- noxer 6y ago
  Which part of "...in fact its de facto zero if you aren't a criminal/drug abuser and comply with police orders." did you not read? Also anecdotal evidence of a bad cop interaction is not a valid argument. There are thousands of interaction that happen every day. The fact that every once in a wile a bad interaction makes the news doesn't pose any information about the actually risk. Someone drunk driving into you and killing you is still more likely to happen but it usually doesn't make national news so people do not have an irrational fear of getting killed by drunk drivers but it happens all the time anyway. And guess what It would happen even more without police making thousands of interactions.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    > And guess what It would happen even more without police making thousands of interactions. This claim is dubious — there are studies showing both a modest decrease [1][2] and no correlation [3] in the drunk driving crash rate when arrests are increased. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254192/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254192/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK217455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK217455/ [3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6221143_Policing_the_drunk_driver_Measuring_law_enforcement_involvement_in_reducing_alcohol-impaired_driving https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6221143_Policing_th...
    - noxer 6y ago
      I didn't say increase or decrease. I said "...without police making thousands of interactions" If you question the negative effect that would have on drunk driving accidents, I accept that its solely based on common sense and no studies were conducted to proof it.
sneak 6y ago
Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid. There is no data to suggest that she was a criminal or drug abuser. Tamir Rice was a 13 year old kid playing with a toy gun (which have orange tips to denote that they are toys). He was murdered by police, too. Duncan Lemp was executed by police shooting into his home at 4:30AM whilst he was totally asleep. There are many other examples, this is not an occasional, anecdotal thing. (Additionally, under the law in the US, the penalty for being suspected of crime or drug dealing is not "summary execution by police". It involves a trial.) Your claim is false.
- noxer 6y ago
  > Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid. That's absolutely not what happened. At worst this was horrible police work at "best" it was a freak accident. There is zero reason to believe that anyone was murdered. Not going into the other cases because quite frankly it does not falsify my claim even if they are in fact what you say they are. My calm was that its very very very unlikely which is true even if it happens. Just like the mass shooting you original brought up that is also very very very unlikely to kill you even trough it could happen. That does not make "police interaction somehow a threat to people" (the original statement) Just like the lottery does not make you a millionaire. And boarding a plane doesn't make you die in a fireball. You gotta look at probability in a rational way. The risk of being killed by police is very very low and as said above by not being a criminal/drug abuser and by complying it gets even lower. So low that its practically non-existent. You do dozens of things every day that have a way higher probability of killing you. Like taking a shower. The statement that taking a shower somehow poses a threat to people is still absurd and wrong.

by noxer 6y ago

mbirth 6y ago

Did you not see recent news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ He "only" got pepper-sprayed, but now imagine if he tried to unbuckle himself using his hands where the frightened cop couldn't see them...

noxer 6y ago
Which part of "...in fact its de facto zero if you aren't a criminal/drug abuser and comply with police orders." did you not read? Also anecdotal evidence of a bad cop interaction is not a valid argument. There are thousands of interaction that happen every day. The fact that every once in a wile a bad interaction makes the news doesn't pose any information about the actually risk. Someone drunk driving into you and killing you is still more likely to happen but it usually doesn't make national news so people do not have an irrational fear of getting killed by drunk drivers but it happens all the time anyway. And guess what It would happen even more without police making thousands of interactions.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  > And guess what It would happen even more without police making thousands of interactions. This claim is dubious — there are studies showing both a modest decrease [1][2] and no correlation [3] in the drunk driving crash rate when arrests are increased. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254192/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254192/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK217455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK217455/ [3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6221143_Policing_the_drunk_driver_Measuring_law_enforcement_involvement_in_reducing_alcohol-impaired_driving https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6221143_Policing_th...
  - noxer 6y ago
    I didn't say increase or decrease. I said "...without police making thousands of interactions" If you question the negative effect that would have on drunk driving accidents, I accept that its solely based on common sense and no studies were conducted to proof it.

sneak 6y ago

Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid. There is no data to suggest that she was a criminal or drug abuser. Tamir Rice was a 13 year old kid playing with a toy gun (which have orange tips to denote that they are toys). He was murdered by police, too. Duncan Lemp was executed by police shooting into his home at 4:30AM whilst he was totally asleep. There are many other examples, this is not an occasional, anecdotal thing. (Additionally, under the law in the US, the penalty for being suspected of crime or drug dealing is not "summary execution by police". It involves a trial.) Your claim is false.

noxer 6y ago
> Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid. That's absolutely not what happened. At worst this was horrible police work at "best" it was a freak accident. There is zero reason to believe that anyone was murdered. Not going into the other cases because quite frankly it does not falsify my claim even if they are in fact what you say they are. My calm was that its very very very unlikely which is true even if it happens. Just like the mass shooting you original brought up that is also very very very unlikely to kill you even trough it could happen. That does not make "police interaction somehow a threat to people" (the original statement) Just like the lottery does not make you a millionaire. And boarding a plane doesn't make you die in a fireball. You gotta look at probability in a rational way. The risk of being killed by police is very very low and as said above by not being a criminal/drug abuser and by complying it gets even lower. So low that its practically non-existent. You do dozens of things every day that have a way higher probability of killing you. Like taking a shower. The statement that taking a shower somehow poses a threat to people is still absurd and wrong.