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I'm not asking about whether guys can refer to both men and women. I'm asking explicitly about precedence. Is gentleman similarly problematic because of the phr

• Pfhreak 5y ago
  The phrase ladies and gentlemen does have it's own problems, mostly because it fails to address non binary people. > This seems like a completely made up problem. Only because it doesn't impact you. Consider developing more empathy. Surely you know some folks who gave challenges in their lives that others callously dismiss as not a big deal.
  • damagednoob 5y ago
    If you're basing your argument of the gender precedence of 'guys' on 'Guys and Dolls', I think I'm comfortable in my opinion that this is a made up problem. > Surely you know some folks who gave challenges in their lives that others callously dismiss as not a big deal. Sure do. And they recognised that those problems were their own that they needed to overcome. Not insist that everyone else change to accommodate them.