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Unfortunately it's not absurd. Police in the US are extremely dangerous. They have by far the highest killing rate of any advanced nation, and can do so basical

Unfortunately it's not absurd. Police in the US are extremely dangerous. They have by far the highest killing rate of any advanced nation, and can do so basically with impunity. Also you do not need to be driving. I've had extremely frightening encounters with police when walking in a public space in broad daylight. The only times (yes, plural) I've ever had a gun pulled on me was by US cops...

noxer 6y ago
Sad if that is your subjective reality but you can easily do your own research on the numbers and you will see this is complete nonsense. And comparing killing rate is nonsense too. Other places have other risks and other laws. The only thing you need to know is how likely are you in your place to be killed by the police. The answer is very very very unlikely unless you are a criminal, drug abuser or incapable of following orders given to you by the police.
- pwinnski 6y ago
  This seems like an egregious abuse of statistics. You, a randomly-selected individual within the borders of the United States, are extremely unlikely to be murdered by police--or anyone else. You, a person who is in the process of being pulled over by US police, have just had the likelihood of being murdered by police skyrocket. Is it more likely than not? Of course not! But it's dramatically more likely than it was before you were pulled over. If you're a woman, it's hardly any more likely. If you're white, it's not much more likely. If either of those things are not true, then the odds increase enough that it's certainly worth asking your phone to record whatever happens.
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  - noxer 6y ago
    You imply that you are more likely to get killed if you aren't white but this is the classic narrative that you where told by media. The whole George Floyd and BLM nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that this claim is correct. There are disproportional more police interactions with non-whites and thus more such police interaction can result in a killing. That does not put a randomly-selected individual that happens to be not white at a higher risk of getting unjustifiably killed. The main reason people get killed by cops is because they are criminals and dont comply.
    - pwinnski 6y ago
      This is factually incorrect and disgusting. Please, keep this racist nonsense off of this website.
      - noxer 6y ago
        You brought up race not me. Also nothing I said was in any way racist. You should probably look up that word, it doesn't mean someone disagrees with you.
- nickserv 6y ago
  In Europe, extremely unlikely. I've never even been verbally abused by police in the UK, Spain, France, or Italy. I have been stopped a few times, fined a couple times, even searched once. But not once did I feel to be in any sort of danger, since at worst I had only committed a minor traffic violation. In the US, I've had a SWAT team break into my office, pointing automatic rifles to my head, slamming me to the ground and cuffing me in front of my colleagues. My crime? When going back to the office from lunch, I ran across the street to make the light. Apparently they thought I was "evading the police". Or the time my 3 year old ran off into a neighbor's yard (no fences), so I go running off behind him. I'm walking back to my friend's yard with my toddler in my arms, and there's this cop barking orders at me, pointing his gun at us. What a bunch of fucking assholes, seriously. It's one of the reasons I don't live in the US anymore.
  - noxer 6y ago
    Thanks for you anecdotal evidence that you never got shot because you aren't a criminal, drug abuser or incapable of following orders given to you by the police.
    - nickserv 6y ago
      The point is, obviously, that any of those events could have rapidly ended up with me dead. For doing absolutely nothing wrong. Do you really enjoy living in a country where police have power of life and death over you and your loved ones? And what constitutes a criminal? Is speeding an executable offense for you? What about shoplifting? Selling weed? I'm curious.
      - noxer 6y ago
        >...could have rapidly ended up with me dead. Like if you started to shoot? What exactly could have turned this around without invalidating the "For doing absolutely nothing wrong." Its kind silly statement its like "I almost got pulled over for doing absolutely nothing, imagine If I were speeding, they would have stooped me for sure, I was lucky." >And what constitutes a criminal? Is speeding an executable offense for you? What about shoplifting? Selling weed? I'm curious. How does that matter? If you get pulled over you comply. I dont cares if you where speeding or have too much window tint or maybe the cop just wants to tell you that one of you back lights is broken. If you dont comply you are in the wrong. You put yourself and other in danger for no reason. If the cop does something inappropriate make a complain or escalate legal actions to whatever is appropriate afterwards. There is absolutely zero point in resisting or not complying. If you resist/dont comply the actions the cop take are towards that and possible risks you pose to him and other. The original reason why they stopped you becomes irrelevant. You dont get shot for windows tint but you do if you try to run over a cop and flee or if you act as if you are searching a gun or whatever stupid thing you could do that makes the cop escalate force. Also the fact that there are trigger happy cops does not change this at all. You can't know if you get stooped by such a cop and even if you do know your best chance to not get harmed is still to comply and take legal actions after wards. The only reason why people who truly did nothing wrong put themself in danger is their own ego.

noxer 6y ago

Sad if that is your subjective reality but you can easily do your own research on the numbers and you will see this is complete nonsense. And comparing killing rate is nonsense too. Other places have other risks and other laws. The only thing you need to know is how likely are you in your place to be killed by the police. The answer is very very very unlikely unless you are a criminal, drug abuser or incapable of following orders given to you by the police.

pwinnski 6y ago
This seems like an egregious abuse of statistics. You, a randomly-selected individual within the borders of the United States, are extremely unlikely to be murdered by police--or anyone else. You, a person who is in the process of being pulled over by US police, have just had the likelihood of being murdered by police skyrocket. Is it more likely than not? Of course not! But it's dramatically more likely than it was before you were pulled over. If you're a woman, it's hardly any more likely. If you're white, it's not much more likely. If either of those things are not true, then the odds increase enough that it's certainly worth asking your phone to record whatever happens.
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- noxer 6y ago
  You imply that you are more likely to get killed if you aren't white but this is the classic narrative that you where told by media. The whole George Floyd and BLM nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that this claim is correct. There are disproportional more police interactions with non-whites and thus more such police interaction can result in a killing. That does not put a randomly-selected individual that happens to be not white at a higher risk of getting unjustifiably killed. The main reason people get killed by cops is because they are criminals and dont comply.
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    This is factually incorrect and disgusting. Please, keep this racist nonsense off of this website.
    - noxer 6y ago
      You brought up race not me. Also nothing I said was in any way racist. You should probably look up that word, it doesn't mean someone disagrees with you.
nickserv 6y ago
In Europe, extremely unlikely. I've never even been verbally abused by police in the UK, Spain, France, or Italy. I have been stopped a few times, fined a couple times, even searched once. But not once did I feel to be in any sort of danger, since at worst I had only committed a minor traffic violation. In the US, I've had a SWAT team break into my office, pointing automatic rifles to my head, slamming me to the ground and cuffing me in front of my colleagues. My crime? When going back to the office from lunch, I ran across the street to make the light. Apparently they thought I was "evading the police". Or the time my 3 year old ran off into a neighbor's yard (no fences), so I go running off behind him. I'm walking back to my friend's yard with my toddler in my arms, and there's this cop barking orders at me, pointing his gun at us. What a bunch of fucking assholes, seriously. It's one of the reasons I don't live in the US anymore.
- noxer 6y ago
  Thanks for you anecdotal evidence that you never got shot because you aren't a criminal, drug abuser or incapable of following orders given to you by the police.
  - nickserv 6y ago
    The point is, obviously, that any of those events could have rapidly ended up with me dead. For doing absolutely nothing wrong. Do you really enjoy living in a country where police have power of life and death over you and your loved ones? And what constitutes a criminal? Is speeding an executable offense for you? What about shoplifting? Selling weed? I'm curious.
    - noxer 6y ago
      >...could have rapidly ended up with me dead. Like if you started to shoot? What exactly could have turned this around without invalidating the "For doing absolutely nothing wrong." Its kind silly statement its like "I almost got pulled over for doing absolutely nothing, imagine If I were speeding, they would have stooped me for sure, I was lucky." >And what constitutes a criminal? Is speeding an executable offense for you? What about shoplifting? Selling weed? I'm curious. How does that matter? If you get pulled over you comply. I dont cares if you where speeding or have too much window tint or maybe the cop just wants to tell you that one of you back lights is broken. If you dont comply you are in the wrong. You put yourself and other in danger for no reason. If the cop does something inappropriate make a complain or escalate legal actions to whatever is appropriate afterwards. There is absolutely zero point in resisting or not complying. If you resist/dont comply the actions the cop take are towards that and possible risks you pose to him and other. The original reason why they stopped you becomes irrelevant. You dont get shot for windows tint but you do if you try to run over a cop and flee or if you act as if you are searching a gun or whatever stupid thing you could do that makes the cop escalate force. Also the fact that there are trigger happy cops does not change this at all. You can't know if you get stooped by such a cop and even if you do know your best chance to not get harmed is still to comply and take legal actions after wards. The only reason why people who truly did nothing wrong put themself in danger is their own ego.