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> Nothing wrong with recording (where legal) Except that there are plenty of examples of a cop going after a bystander who's recording the cop's interaction wi

> Nothing wrong with recording (where legal) Except that there are plenty of examples of a cop going after a bystander who's recording the cop's interaction with someone because the cop doesn't want it recorded — and the cop tells the bystander something like "you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct.

noxer 6y ago
I case you could not figure it out I expressed favor to record police interaction where legal. Form all parties (ordinary people but also cops themself should). There was absolutely no talk about bystander but for the sake of your invalid argument I agree they should also record if possible. The "..."you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct. " Is a pointless generalized statement that is therefore false. Bystanders especially groups and yelling people pose a significant risk to the police and others involved. If you can't see why they would not let people come close to take the perfect tiktok video you just ignore the reality of police work. They are trained to assure the situation is as safe as possible for everyone involved and keep uninvolved out. Not to provide the best recording angle for bystanders. If you serious think they want people at a distance so they can commit crimes and the evidence videos will be from too far away, then you are delusional and completely out of touch with reality. Its absurdly stupid argument especially if you take into account that almost all cop interactions do not have recording form bystanders so there plenty opportunity for bad cops to do bad.
- dctoedt 6y ago
  You're conflating different situations; I hope it's unintentional on your part and not a deliberate effort to hijack the narrative to terms you prefer.
  - noxer 6y ago
    There was no situation given just a general statement that if police says "you're obstructing a police matter" that this would be a lie.
davidgould 6y ago
Or even assaulting and/or arresting the bystander filming.
- noxer 6y ago
  Do you know what assaulting means? An arrest inst assaulting anyone. Also its not for filming but for not following orders which is exactly what cops are paid do do. If you dont want to get arrested follow the order they give you.
  - dctoedt 6y ago
    Here, LMGTFY: https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-video-effects-trauma-civil-rights-black-lives-matter https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-... https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-black-man-recording-them-11274715 https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-b... https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020770.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped-suicidal-hospital-patient-then-video-emerged/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped... https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-doesnt-disappear-when-you-put-your-phone-your-pocket https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do... https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-doesnt-disappear-when-you-put-your-phone-your-pocket https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do... https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-immunity-cops-who-arrested-man-recording-them-obstruction.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-im...
    - noxer 6y ago
      You complete ignore what I wrote and post random links that make no sense in the context. My stance is you should film. My stance is you should not interfere in any way with police as a bystander unless you ask first and get permission to help. My stance is that if you get ordered to do something you have to follow that order. If you dont, you are in fact interfering and you are subject to lawful arrest. The fact that police can give you illegitimate order doesn't change that. For example they may not have the authority to demand you to stop filming but they can order you to leave the scene or hold appropriate distance. And various other stuff like to pull your hands out of your pocket. Its relevant to the safely of themself and everyone around. If you dont comply they have the right to arrest you. And as soon as they tell you that you are under arrest you lose your right to record or at lest you right to hold and point the cam the way you want. And yes there rules all apply even if you think the police is doing something illegitimate or brutal or whatever. You are not a judge and your subjective interpretation of the situation does in no way change what what you are and aren't allowed do do. Its really not that hard of a concept. Since you like links here is one for you https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 As you can see people seriously think they need to film stuff because a dozen officers clearly are trying to kill someone and the only thing that could save the person are the bystander with phones. But police keeps them at a distance so they can kill the person anyway without video evidence. After 90 minutes they gave up because too many bystanders could potentially film the killing. Brave brave bystanders saving people form state funded killer pigs. People are so out of touch with reality they act like little kids who insist that all adults are complicit to be mean to them for no reason.

noxer 6y ago

I case you could not figure it out I expressed favor to record police interaction where legal. Form all parties (ordinary people but also cops themself should). There was absolutely no talk about bystander but for the sake of your invalid argument I agree they should also record if possible. The "..."you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct. " Is a pointless generalized statement that is therefore false. Bystanders especially groups and yelling people pose a significant risk to the police and others involved. If you can't see why they would not let people come close to take the perfect tiktok video you just ignore the reality of police work. They are trained to assure the situation is as safe as possible for everyone involved and keep uninvolved out. Not to provide the best recording angle for bystanders. If you serious think they want people at a distance so they can commit crimes and the evidence videos will be from too far away, then you are delusional and completely out of touch with reality. Its absurdly stupid argument especially if you take into account that almost all cop interactions do not have recording form bystanders so there plenty opportunity for bad cops to do bad.

dctoedt 6y ago
You're conflating different situations; I hope it's unintentional on your part and not a deliberate effort to hijack the narrative to terms you prefer.
- noxer 6y ago
  There was no situation given just a general statement that if police says "you're obstructing a police matter" that this would be a lie.

davidgould 6y ago

Or even assaulting and/or arresting the bystander filming.

noxer 6y ago
Do you know what assaulting means? An arrest inst assaulting anyone. Also its not for filming but for not following orders which is exactly what cops are paid do do. If you dont want to get arrested follow the order they give you.
- dctoedt 6y ago
  Here, LMGTFY: https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-video-effects-trauma-civil-rights-black-lives-matter https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-... https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-black-man-recording-them-11274715 https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-b... https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020770.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped-suicidal-hospital-patient-then-video-emerged/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped... https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-doesnt-disappear-when-you-put-your-phone-your-pocket https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do... https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-doesnt-disappear-when-you-put-your-phone-your-pocket https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do... https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-immunity-cops-who-arrested-man-recording-them-obstruction.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-im...
  - noxer 6y ago
    You complete ignore what I wrote and post random links that make no sense in the context. My stance is you should film. My stance is you should not interfere in any way with police as a bystander unless you ask first and get permission to help. My stance is that if you get ordered to do something you have to follow that order. If you dont, you are in fact interfering and you are subject to lawful arrest. The fact that police can give you illegitimate order doesn't change that. For example they may not have the authority to demand you to stop filming but they can order you to leave the scene or hold appropriate distance. And various other stuff like to pull your hands out of your pocket. Its relevant to the safely of themself and everyone around. If you dont comply they have the right to arrest you. And as soon as they tell you that you are under arrest you lose your right to record or at lest you right to hold and point the cam the way you want. And yes there rules all apply even if you think the police is doing something illegitimate or brutal or whatever. You are not a judge and your subjective interpretation of the situation does in no way change what what you are and aren't allowed do do. Its really not that hard of a concept. Since you like links here is one for you https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 As you can see people seriously think they need to film stuff because a dozen officers clearly are trying to kill someone and the only thing that could save the person are the bystander with phones. But police keeps them at a distance so they can kill the person anyway without video evidence. After 90 minutes they gave up because too many bystanders could potentially film the killing. Brave brave bystanders saving people form state funded killer pigs. People are so out of touch with reality they act like little kids who insist that all adults are complicit to be mean to them for no reason.