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Next up, living in families shown to be inefficient, newborns should be matched in a skills based auction at birth. => There is more to life than supply and de

Next up, living in families shown to be inefficient, newborns should be matched in a skills based auction at birth. => There is more to life than supply and demand, and home ownership has a hidden effect on societal responsibility, wellbeing and a life milestone

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
Actually who you are born to is probably the number 1 driver of inequality. If you really wanted something more equitable, you would probably require that no children be raised by their parents and be turned over to a state run children's home at birth.
- bovine3dom 6y ago
  In practice, that's not so far from what schools do.
  - sufehmi 6y ago
    Yup, COVID-19 shows me something that I have suspected all along - a LOT of parents are not comfortable to be with their OWN children. Because schools are closed, parents have to be with their children all the time A lot of them are really, really stressed out because of this. Which begs the question - why the fuck did you bother to have kids then? Children are blessings from heaven. If they can not see it that way, then they should free themselves from that and chose not to have kids instead Mind blowing
    - CalRobert 6y ago
      Are you a parent? I really don't think humans evolved to have a nuclear family with no external support from grandparents, uncles, aunts, neighbours, etc. We also have a scenario where children have been robbed of their independence (suburban design patterns, dangerous drivers, fearmongering on the news about child molesters, etc.) - so you can't just shove your 5 year old out the front door at 9 AM and tell them to come back for lunch. I would _much_ rather watch my kids and my nieces and nephews for half a day, then trade, than watch my kids all day long. It's utterly grueling.
      - shard972 6y ago
        hey at least women have carrer
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      Well the COVID situation was pretty unique in that people were confined at home. This easily translates into a prison-like mentality (or submarine-like, another very stressful environment). Prior to the helicopter parenting era, kids would spend whole days playing outside unless the weather was bad. This gave everyone some breathing space, kids and parents alike.
    - scambier 6y ago
      I, the perfect dad, absolutely 100% expected that my children would have to stay confined in our house 24/7 with no school, no outside activity (and I'm fortunate enough to have a small lawn), practically no outside contact, all while having to do my job and do my best to raise and keep them occupied. Also, I'm absolutely not worried about their own well-being, or lack of social interactions, or even the constant loss of bearings, or if they themselves worry about how their parents are doing.
    - nickserv 6y ago
      Human children, like most other social primates, have evolved to do best when raised by an extended family unit. In modern societies we have replaced the extended family (tribe) with daycare and schooling, and in some cases, communal areas such as parks. Without the interaction of other adults and children, children get quickly bored and require much more attention than a couple let alone a single individual can provide.
    - AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
      It's not the "being with your children" aspect so much as it's the "being with your children while simultaneously guiding them through a remote education experience no one was prepared for and working remotely at a job that was formerly in person in an office."
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    Except the rich kids go to private schools (called public schools in the UK) and everyone else goes to state schools.
- rvalue 6y ago
  No
- tlarkworthy 6y ago
  So you want to drag the majority down in order to reach a level of lowest common denominator of "equity". Pure insanity. Yes the life you are born into is not "fair". But you must also appreciate that the family unit is one of the strongest forces of altruism and inter human bonding for the majority. Break the family and you break the parts of society that are not run on finance. It's would truly cause an incredible amount of damage undermining the family bond. We are not robots!
  - effie 6y ago
    Bio-robots.
  - edent 6y ago
    Although completely impractical, it's an interesting thought experiment. If you knew that your bio-kid was going to be placed with a random family, and you wanted that child to have the best start in life, you'd lobby to improve the quality of schools in all districts. Instead, at the moment, rich people move district or pay for private tuition. Because they want the best opportunities for their offspring. There is no way in the world that people would accept a situation where all babies are randomly shuffled at birth. But - if there was - the rational self interested agent would want to improve opportunity everywhere so their genetic material had a better chance.
  - willcipriano 6y ago
    To paraphrase a common saying: "Harrison Bergeron was a warning, not a instruction manual." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  I'd posit - political corruption is the number 1 cause of inequality. Politicians are the least qualified to govern. As written in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy (I'm paraphrasing): The problem w/ society is that those who want to govern probably shouldn't, and those most apt and equipped to govern (humility, intelligence, compassion) don't want or apply for the position... So instead of randomly divying out kids, the better solution: 100% random draw elections. You can turn it down if you want, but nobody can "run for election". You can't tell me 500 strangers couldn't come together in a decade-long term, and manage this country in a fair/equitable way -- better than say a group of 500 congress-people where about 80% or greater have pocketed cash from corporate donors.
dionidium 6y ago
> "There is more to life than supply and demand," Supply and demand isn't proscriptive; it's descriptive. It's not like we get to choose whether we live in a society where the principles of supply and demand hold. They hold either way.
jeegsy 6y ago
So much this! The would-be vulcans of the modern world can be so exasperating at times..

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

Actually who you are born to is probably the number 1 driver of inequality. If you really wanted something more equitable, you would probably require that no children be raised by their parents and be turned over to a state run children's home at birth.

bovine3dom 6y ago
In practice, that's not so far from what schools do.
- sufehmi 6y ago
  Yup, COVID-19 shows me something that I have suspected all along - a LOT of parents are not comfortable to be with their OWN children. Because schools are closed, parents have to be with their children all the time A lot of them are really, really stressed out because of this. Which begs the question - why the fuck did you bother to have kids then? Children are blessings from heaven. If they can not see it that way, then they should free themselves from that and chose not to have kids instead Mind blowing
  - CalRobert 6y ago
    Are you a parent? I really don't think humans evolved to have a nuclear family with no external support from grandparents, uncles, aunts, neighbours, etc. We also have a scenario where children have been robbed of their independence (suburban design patterns, dangerous drivers, fearmongering on the news about child molesters, etc.) - so you can't just shove your 5 year old out the front door at 9 AM and tell them to come back for lunch. I would _much_ rather watch my kids and my nieces and nephews for half a day, then trade, than watch my kids all day long. It's utterly grueling.
    - shard972 6y ago
      hey at least women have carrer
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    Well the COVID situation was pretty unique in that people were confined at home. This easily translates into a prison-like mentality (or submarine-like, another very stressful environment). Prior to the helicopter parenting era, kids would spend whole days playing outside unless the weather was bad. This gave everyone some breathing space, kids and parents alike.
  - scambier 6y ago
    I, the perfect dad, absolutely 100% expected that my children would have to stay confined in our house 24/7 with no school, no outside activity (and I'm fortunate enough to have a small lawn), practically no outside contact, all while having to do my job and do my best to raise and keep them occupied. Also, I'm absolutely not worried about their own well-being, or lack of social interactions, or even the constant loss of bearings, or if they themselves worry about how their parents are doing.
  - nickserv 6y ago
    Human children, like most other social primates, have evolved to do best when raised by an extended family unit. In modern societies we have replaced the extended family (tribe) with daycare and schooling, and in some cases, communal areas such as parks. Without the interaction of other adults and children, children get quickly bored and require much more attention than a couple let alone a single individual can provide.
  - AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
    It's not the "being with your children" aspect so much as it's the "being with your children while simultaneously guiding them through a remote education experience no one was prepared for and working remotely at a job that was formerly in person in an office."
- globular-toast 6y ago
  Except the rich kids go to private schools (called public schools in the UK) and everyone else goes to state schools.
rvalue 6y ago
No
tlarkworthy 6y ago
So you want to drag the majority down in order to reach a level of lowest common denominator of "equity". Pure insanity. Yes the life you are born into is not "fair". But you must also appreciate that the family unit is one of the strongest forces of altruism and inter human bonding for the majority. Break the family and you break the parts of society that are not run on finance. It's would truly cause an incredible amount of damage undermining the family bond. We are not robots!
- effie 6y ago
  Bio-robots.
- edent 6y ago
  Although completely impractical, it's an interesting thought experiment. If you knew that your bio-kid was going to be placed with a random family, and you wanted that child to have the best start in life, you'd lobby to improve the quality of schools in all districts. Instead, at the moment, rich people move district or pay for private tuition. Because they want the best opportunities for their offspring. There is no way in the world that people would accept a situation where all babies are randomly shuffled at birth. But - if there was - the rational self interested agent would want to improve opportunity everywhere so their genetic material had a better chance.
- willcipriano 6y ago
  To paraphrase a common saying: "Harrison Bergeron was a warning, not a instruction manual." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
gremlinsinc 6y ago
I'd posit - political corruption is the number 1 cause of inequality. Politicians are the least qualified to govern. As written in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy (I'm paraphrasing): The problem w/ society is that those who want to govern probably shouldn't, and those most apt and equipped to govern (humility, intelligence, compassion) don't want or apply for the position... So instead of randomly divying out kids, the better solution: 100% random draw elections. You can turn it down if you want, but nobody can "run for election". You can't tell me 500 strangers couldn't come together in a decade-long term, and manage this country in a fair/equitable way -- better than say a group of 500 congress-people where about 80% or greater have pocketed cash from corporate donors.

dionidium 6y ago

> "There is more to life than supply and demand," Supply and demand isn't proscriptive; it's descriptive. It's not like we get to choose whether we live in a society where the principles of supply and demand hold. They hold either way.

jeegsy 6y ago

So much this! The would-be vulcans of the modern world can be so exasperating at times..