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This generates much better patterns than any other music web project I've tried. Awesome work. If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated

This generates much better patterns than any other music web project I've tried. Awesome work. If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. If you messed around with it occasionally, you'd probably get hired back. (And that's a compliment to the app; definitely not a diss of acid techno.)

sneak 6y ago
> snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. That very much depends on the club.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  I mean I don't even know if people actually listen to acid or if it's a genre of music that online projects like this seem to latch on to. I don't recall (but I'm pretty insular) it being a thing anywhere. Trance/dance music, sure. I guess acid is a subgenre?
  - tcpekin 6y ago
    I can confirm acid techno is alive and well in Berlin. Lots of good music coming out and DJs playing it.
    - DiabloD3 6y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/c/H%C3%96RBERLIN https://www.youtube.com/c/H%C3%96RBERLIN They have a lot of DJs from this type of genre.
      - kortex 6y ago
        That tiled room gets me through the workday. In that ilk: Fear n Loathing. Art of Minimal. Trippy Cat Music. Beamer. A bit further from that sound but still great for coding: Cercle, Radio Intense, Cafe de Anatolia.
        tcpekin 6y ago
        My favorite acid mixes have been Dr. Rubenstein's Quarantine series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYcwN4wXhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYcwN4wXhI
  - emptyfile 6y ago
    For being an (insular) world traveller, you offer scant information.
  - Rastonbury 6y ago
    Acid is probably the most trending subgenre of techno these days, just cuz you've never heard of it...
    - lookalike74 6y ago
      You don't know what you're talking about, here's a foundational acid track that's probably older than you... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGTj9Yb_x4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGTj9Yb_x4
      - feu 6y ago
        Nothing that the parent comment said implied that acid is a new genre. They were saying it's very popular now, which is true.
      - emptyfile 6y ago
        YOU are the ignorant one if you don't know that acid is very much alive and kicking today.
  - stinos 6y ago
    Yes it's a subgenre, and yes it's a thing and has been for a couple of decades. And it even has its own subgenres/'mixins' like acidcore or goa with acid influences (not sure that one has a name). Check e.g. https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html
bamboozled 6y ago
Not really into this type of music, but I'd notice, it sounds pretty average. It's a cool project and concept, but people in the know would notice.
- teachingassist 6y ago
  I like this genre, but I don't find this generated music satisfying. My brain is anticipating some 'rule of three', which I don't feel it's following and I therefore feel disappointment. I'm expecting it to switch an established pattern up (more than it does) on the third repeat, just as I get used to it, and to have fractal-like layers of patterns, which I didn't observe.
  - spacemanmatt 6y ago
    > I like this genre, but I don't find this generated music satisfying. Same. You could generate a bunch of random notes using realistic string instrument samples, and be just as far from Bach.
  - alisonatwork 6y ago
    I agree. This is a very cool project, mainly because the actual synth sounds are good, so it sounds like a legitimate live acid musician hitting the good old "randomize" button on their 303 clone, but it still sounds a bit like a carefully managed "randomize". I think what makes it work for people is that it evokes that kind of IDM-ish hipster acid music where hearing something a bit unmusical without a 4-to-the-floor "release" is acceptable. But I'm not sure this system would have as much luck putting together an actual "acid banger" like Lochi's London Acid City, Purple Plejade's Blanche, Hardfloor's Acperience etc. The problem is that a computer can't know when it really came up with a "banger" of a sequence. When you have a real musician, they can sense when a particular sequence really "clicks" for people, somehow it just accents in places that sound cool. Then they can move ahead with that sequence, tease it and build it and bring it to resolution. This is the holy grail of generated music, I think, to somehow get a computer to a place where it can recognize whatever that quality is.
stinos 6y ago
no one would notice anything's amiss I doubt it. Perhaps you were lucky with the piece you listened to, but I checked it for 5 minutes and the off-beat things it generates are pretty much unheard of in this genre. Not that there's no off-beat produced by humans, but it doesn't sound anything like this. Simply because what the machine is doing here brakes the rhythm too much, making it harder to dance on, and after all that's what this music is for.
- hnhg 6y ago
  I think you were unlucky, actually. I've been playing around with it on and off for a few hours now and sometimes it gets locked into the behaviour you describe, but for the most part it's very standard 4/4.
  - alfiedotwtf 6y ago
    Same. 30 minutes in, and this acid is better than a lot of #acidtechno on Instagram. It's just missing having more accents on the 303 :)
    - stinos 6y ago
      Yeah I checked again and there's definitely more 'standard' acid in there. Now it's just waiting until someone records it and posts it as being theirs :)
      - samstave 6y ago
        Cant wait until "gem and the holograms" is a real thing (an AI powered rockstar who is not a real human but is a world-wide super-star)
        freeflight 6y ago
        Sounds a bit like Hatsune Miku
        6y ago
Rochus 6y ago
Maybe besides https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ https://openai.com/blog/musenet/? The present solution is rather primitive; just a bit of random with time and scale quantisation; but some people seem to be quickly satisfied.
sideshowb 6y ago
> If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. If you messed around with it occasionally, you'd probably get hired back Some sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything, though a good dj feels an obligation to make sure the thing being played is of good quality, regardless. As to who gets hired, that's more a matter of networking than musical talent.
- stinos 6y ago
  Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's not like drugs suddenly just make you accept anything. Not even MDMA, which is the one which has plenty of potential in that direction.
  - sideshowb 6y ago
    You have taste in music :-) I should have qualified that statement slightly more.
  - bzzzt 6y ago
    > Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...
    - sideshowb 6y ago
      I was once at a Plump DJs gig where the fire alarm went off and it took everyone a minute to realize it wasn't part of the tune. I've also heard of people dancing to a generator when the hardtek stopped. To be fair to the people concerned, both examples actually match the style of the music in question.
aeon97 6y ago
Some of the patterns sound really good, but can you change the bpm? I think a DJ set at the same bpm all night would be kind of boring. I love acid techno, but I mix it into other (sub)genres, and have never heard a set where it was only acid techno. That said, it sounds like some of the drum patterns are more electro than techno, which is nice and provides some variety.
- tomglynch 6y ago
  Bottom left next to the meter is the clock - turn it to change BPM.
- samstave 6y ago
  https://i.imgur.com/WfI2Yka.png https://i.imgur.com/WfI2Yka.png THere is a clock dial for bpm... does that solve your issue?
  - aeon97 6y ago
    Ah thanks! Didn't catch that. Not an issue really, but come to think of it, I personally I would add the bpm number, and put that control at the top.
smoe 6y ago
I have listened (so no touch or watching it) for a couple of minutes and while the patterns all sounded fine (no an expert in that genre but have been to a number of raves) in isolation many of the changes didn’t feel intentional and at times outright jarring without any transition leading up to it. I reckon in a club situation you would play the patterns for longer which would make it less notable. I do think it is quite impressive work, but overall it still sounds to too much just like switching between patterns without any bigger “musical arc” (not sure what the correct terminology I’m looking for is) in mind. But to be fair that is what a whole lot of peoples calling themselves producers sound like as well.
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sneak 6y ago

> snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. That very much depends on the club.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
I mean I don't even know if people actually listen to acid or if it's a genre of music that online projects like this seem to latch on to. I don't recall (but I'm pretty insular) it being a thing anywhere. Trance/dance music, sure. I guess acid is a subgenre?
- tcpekin 6y ago
  I can confirm acid techno is alive and well in Berlin. Lots of good music coming out and DJs playing it.
  - DiabloD3 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/c/H%C3%96RBERLIN https://www.youtube.com/c/H%C3%96RBERLIN They have a lot of DJs from this type of genre.
    - kortex 6y ago
      That tiled room gets me through the workday. In that ilk: Fear n Loathing. Art of Minimal. Trippy Cat Music. Beamer. A bit further from that sound but still great for coding: Cercle, Radio Intense, Cafe de Anatolia.
      - tcpekin 6y ago
        My favorite acid mixes have been Dr. Rubenstein's Quarantine series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYcwN4wXhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYcwN4wXhI
- emptyfile 6y ago
  For being an (insular) world traveller, you offer scant information.
- Rastonbury 6y ago
  Acid is probably the most trending subgenre of techno these days, just cuz you've never heard of it...
  - lookalike74 6y ago
    You don't know what you're talking about, here's a foundational acid track that's probably older than you... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGTj9Yb_x4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGTj9Yb_x4
    - feu 6y ago
      Nothing that the parent comment said implied that acid is a new genre. They were saying it's very popular now, which is true.
    - emptyfile 6y ago
      YOU are the ignorant one if you don't know that acid is very much alive and kicking today.
- stinos 6y ago
  Yes it's a subgenre, and yes it's a thing and has been for a couple of decades. And it even has its own subgenres/'mixins' like acidcore or goa with acid influences (not sure that one has a name). Check e.g. https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html

bamboozled 6y ago

Not really into this type of music, but I'd notice, it sounds pretty average. It's a cool project and concept, but people in the know would notice.

teachingassist 6y ago
I like this genre, but I don't find this generated music satisfying. My brain is anticipating some 'rule of three', which I don't feel it's following and I therefore feel disappointment. I'm expecting it to switch an established pattern up (more than it does) on the third repeat, just as I get used to it, and to have fractal-like layers of patterns, which I didn't observe.
- spacemanmatt 6y ago
  > I like this genre, but I don't find this generated music satisfying. Same. You could generate a bunch of random notes using realistic string instrument samples, and be just as far from Bach.
- alisonatwork 6y ago
  I agree. This is a very cool project, mainly because the actual synth sounds are good, so it sounds like a legitimate live acid musician hitting the good old "randomize" button on their 303 clone, but it still sounds a bit like a carefully managed "randomize". I think what makes it work for people is that it evokes that kind of IDM-ish hipster acid music where hearing something a bit unmusical without a 4-to-the-floor "release" is acceptable. But I'm not sure this system would have as much luck putting together an actual "acid banger" like Lochi's London Acid City, Purple Plejade's Blanche, Hardfloor's Acperience etc. The problem is that a computer can't know when it really came up with a "banger" of a sequence. When you have a real musician, they can sense when a particular sequence really "clicks" for people, somehow it just accents in places that sound cool. Then they can move ahead with that sequence, tease it and build it and bring it to resolution. This is the holy grail of generated music, I think, to somehow get a computer to a place where it can recognize whatever that quality is.

stinos 6y ago

no one would notice anything's amiss I doubt it. Perhaps you were lucky with the piece you listened to, but I checked it for 5 minutes and the off-beat things it generates are pretty much unheard of in this genre. Not that there's no off-beat produced by humans, but it doesn't sound anything like this. Simply because what the machine is doing here brakes the rhythm too much, making it harder to dance on, and after all that's what this music is for.

hnhg 6y ago
I think you were unlucky, actually. I've been playing around with it on and off for a few hours now and sometimes it gets locked into the behaviour you describe, but for the most part it's very standard 4/4.
- alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  Same. 30 minutes in, and this acid is better than a lot of #acidtechno on Instagram. It's just missing having more accents on the 303 :)
  - stinos 6y ago
    Yeah I checked again and there's definitely more 'standard' acid in there. Now it's just waiting until someone records it and posts it as being theirs :)
    - samstave 6y ago
      Cant wait until "gem and the holograms" is a real thing (an AI powered rockstar who is not a real human but is a world-wide super-star)
      - freeflight 6y ago
        Sounds a bit like Hatsune Miku
      - 6y ago

Rochus 6y ago

Maybe besides https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ https://openai.com/blog/musenet/? The present solution is rather primitive; just a bit of random with time and scale quantisation; but some people seem to be quickly satisfied.

sideshowb 6y ago

> If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. If you messed around with it occasionally, you'd probably get hired back Some sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything, though a good dj feels an obligation to make sure the thing being played is of good quality, regardless. As to who gets hired, that's more a matter of networking than musical talent.

stinos 6y ago
Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's not like drugs suddenly just make you accept anything. Not even MDMA, which is the one which has plenty of potential in that direction.
- sideshowb 6y ago
  You have taste in music :-) I should have qualified that statement slightly more.
- bzzzt 6y ago
  > Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...
  - sideshowb 6y ago
    I was once at a Plump DJs gig where the fire alarm went off and it took everyone a minute to realize it wasn't part of the tune. I've also heard of people dancing to a generator when the hardtek stopped. To be fair to the people concerned, both examples actually match the style of the music in question.

aeon97 6y ago

Some of the patterns sound really good, but can you change the bpm? I think a DJ set at the same bpm all night would be kind of boring. I love acid techno, but I mix it into other (sub)genres, and have never heard a set where it was only acid techno. That said, it sounds like some of the drum patterns are more electro than techno, which is nice and provides some variety.

tomglynch 6y ago
Bottom left next to the meter is the clock - turn it to change BPM.
samstave 6y ago
https://i.imgur.com/WfI2Yka.png https://i.imgur.com/WfI2Yka.png THere is a clock dial for bpm... does that solve your issue?
- aeon97 6y ago
  Ah thanks! Didn't catch that. Not an issue really, but come to think of it, I personally I would add the bpm number, and put that control at the top.

smoe 6y ago

I have listened (so no touch or watching it) for a couple of minutes and while the patterns all sounded fine (no an expert in that genre but have been to a number of raves) in isolation many of the changes didn’t feel intentional and at times outright jarring without any transition leading up to it. I reckon in a club situation you would play the patterns for longer which would make it less notable. I do think it is quite impressive work, but overall it still sounds to too much just like switching between patterns without any bigger “musical arc” (not sure what the correct terminology I’m looking for is) in mind. But to be fair that is what a whole lot of peoples calling themselves producers sound like as well.

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