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I find these posts interesting because quitting a company and immediately writing a post critiquing them, even if it's a soft critique like this post, is someth

I find these posts interesting because quitting a company and immediately writing a post critiquing them, even if it's a soft critique like this post, is something that I would never do. I understand why people write these posts. They're certainly useful for me and many others. But unless the company did something profoundly immoral, I would not publicly criticize it on a large tech forum. Maybe I don't have enough chutzpah but I don't really see any good coming of it.

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Curious what risks you see in it? Burning bridges? Becoming the guy who publicly critiques his employers? FWIW, his thoughts are clearly spelled out as his own experience.
- braza 6y ago
  >Becoming the guy who publicly critiques his employers? Exactly. At least for me this is a red flag, due to the fact that those things in the article is part of the game.
  - jitl 6y ago
    > this is a red flag A red flag for what? Being a human with opinions? Not having enough “loyalty” to ones “superiors” in the workplace? There’s nothing wrong with sharing an opinion or critique. Felipe is a fantastic engineer and I wouldn’t hesitate to try recruit him if he wasn’t looking away from the salary life.
    - mam3 6y ago
      > Being a human with opinions? Is that a value now ? You can be a shitty human with shitty opinions. At least thats what HN consider on some political subjects.
    - pxue 6y ago
      It's a red flag because 1.5 years is really not a long time to attempt to break into a new market. It highlights that the author wasn't a good fit as engineer #2. However, instead of introspection, the author just blamed it all on bad org, bad manager etc. Conclusion, I wouldnt hire op as engineer #2 at early stage startups.
      - joshmanders 6y ago
        See, your response is a red flag for me. It tells me you'll treat your employees like shit and talk down to them if they express their feelings like OP did. I wouldn't accept a job offer from anyone who has a problem with someone writing a blog post about their experiences working for another company, good or bad. People are too quick to act as if companies have this protection and that as employees we have to bow to them and cannot say anything negative, but in a heart beat companies will drop employees like yesterdays news. This is a two way street and we has employees have just as much rights to express our disinterest and experiences with companies we worked with too.
braza 6y ago
+1 here. I think professionals needs to understand the game that they are into. Reorgs, bad managers and other aspects are included in the salary. If you can deal with that, ok; if not leave but this do not give the right to bash publicly someone.
- angelbar 6y ago
  > Reorgs, bad managers and other aspects are included in the salary. If you can deal with that, ok; if not leave but this do not give the right to bash publicly someone. As a enterprise, employee loss and bad press are included with with bad managers and bad policy. If them are ok with that relations they cannot complain. (I understand that if you raise your voice you can have consequences in your next job search)
Mandatum 6y ago
I think it’s fair to write a post criticising systemic, terrible things like racism, abuse, toxic work culture. But this just reads like a shit deal in a tech company. To his point, others could have different experiences. So why write it at all? Submit the glassdoor review and move on. OP I know you’ll probably read this - so don’t be too hard on yourself in regards to my reply. You’re starting a new adventure and I’m excited for you.
- felipe_csl 6y ago
  Fair enough, you have a good point! My goal was to address this to someone who's considering starting a new job there maybe or who is curious about how things are internally but doesn't have visibility into it. Lots of people said they found it useful but I can certainly see why this can rub people the wrong way, and that's fine. If this helps at least one person, then I think it was worth it :)
oceanghost 6y ago
This is just public therapy. He should be talking to his therapist about this (which he can probably no longer afford due to losing his health insurance).
- felipe_csl 6y ago
  Hey, writing can be very therapeutic indeed!

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Curious what risks you see in it? Burning bridges? Becoming the guy who publicly critiques his employers? FWIW, his thoughts are clearly spelled out as his own experience.

braza 6y ago
>Becoming the guy who publicly critiques his employers? Exactly. At least for me this is a red flag, due to the fact that those things in the article is part of the game.
- jitl 6y ago
  > this is a red flag A red flag for what? Being a human with opinions? Not having enough “loyalty” to ones “superiors” in the workplace? There’s nothing wrong with sharing an opinion or critique. Felipe is a fantastic engineer and I wouldn’t hesitate to try recruit him if he wasn’t looking away from the salary life.
  - mam3 6y ago
    > Being a human with opinions? Is that a value now ? You can be a shitty human with shitty opinions. At least thats what HN consider on some political subjects.
  - pxue 6y ago
    It's a red flag because 1.5 years is really not a long time to attempt to break into a new market. It highlights that the author wasn't a good fit as engineer #2. However, instead of introspection, the author just blamed it all on bad org, bad manager etc. Conclusion, I wouldnt hire op as engineer #2 at early stage startups.
    - joshmanders 6y ago
      See, your response is a red flag for me. It tells me you'll treat your employees like shit and talk down to them if they express their feelings like OP did. I wouldn't accept a job offer from anyone who has a problem with someone writing a blog post about their experiences working for another company, good or bad. People are too quick to act as if companies have this protection and that as employees we have to bow to them and cannot say anything negative, but in a heart beat companies will drop employees like yesterdays news. This is a two way street and we has employees have just as much rights to express our disinterest and experiences with companies we worked with too.

braza 6y ago

+1 here. I think professionals needs to understand the game that they are into. Reorgs, bad managers and other aspects are included in the salary. If you can deal with that, ok; if not leave but this do not give the right to bash publicly someone.

angelbar 6y ago
> Reorgs, bad managers and other aspects are included in the salary. If you can deal with that, ok; if not leave but this do not give the right to bash publicly someone. As a enterprise, employee loss and bad press are included with with bad managers and bad policy. If them are ok with that relations they cannot complain. (I understand that if you raise your voice you can have consequences in your next job search)

Mandatum 6y ago

I think it’s fair to write a post criticising systemic, terrible things like racism, abuse, toxic work culture. But this just reads like a shit deal in a tech company. To his point, others could have different experiences. So why write it at all? Submit the glassdoor review and move on. OP I know you’ll probably read this - so don’t be too hard on yourself in regards to my reply. You’re starting a new adventure and I’m excited for you.

felipe_csl 6y ago
Fair enough, you have a good point! My goal was to address this to someone who's considering starting a new job there maybe or who is curious about how things are internally but doesn't have visibility into it. Lots of people said they found it useful but I can certainly see why this can rub people the wrong way, and that's fine. If this helps at least one person, then I think it was worth it :)

oceanghost 6y ago

This is just public therapy. He should be talking to his therapist about this (which he can probably no longer afford due to losing his health insurance).

felipe_csl 6y ago
Hey, writing can be very therapeutic indeed!