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Writing passwords down on paper is literally the primary reason password rotation isn't recommended anymore. If something got a look inside your book, everythi

Writing passwords down on paper is literally the primary reason password rotation isn't recommended anymore. If something got a look inside your book, everything is compromised. At least by changing to another random gibberish password, an attacker would not get back in (in contrast to someone that increments a number, for example), but how much damage can something do in that time before you notice? How long do you think it takes a skilled attacker to install a backdoor (the answer is definitely less than 44 days)? This is the second major problem with password rotation: it is false security. If credentials are compromised, immediately change them: don't wait 45 or 90 days. If they're not compromised, changing them is basically pointless, because humans are going to human and either have an incrementing number, predictable pattern, or actual complex, random, unrelated passwords ... that they then write down.

tialaramex 5y ago
That's correct, if bad guys broke into my home and accessed the book it would have been game over. Personally I would be much more concerned about other things - my stuff is there, not to mention often myself - but I'm sure that a vast faceless corporation would be primarily concerned with the potential for these hypothetical bad guys to learn and maybe disseminate secret passwords. How often do you think that actually happens? It's a bit... high risk for opportunistic "cyber criminals" don't you think? Figure out where key employees live, then break in and... look for passwords they've written down and then presumably use them quickly before they're invalidated.
KeepFlying 5y ago
Writing passwords down on paper is fine. Writing passwords down on paper and leaving that paper in an insecure area isn't. Your little address book full of passwords is the same as a password manager, and for a lot of people it's easier for them to manage the security of a booklet than it is to handle a password manager properly. And for those people, it's definitely worth using a book for the sake reasons we say using a password manager is a good idea
- tialaramex 5y ago
  I do actually use a password manager (zx2c4's pass) to manage my own passwords. But my mother has a book I purchased for her as an Xmas gift one year, for exactly the reason you described, I am confident she understands the security properties of a book, (e.g. a stranger left alone in a room with the book can read it) whereas I have my doubts with a password manager. I used a book for passwords issued by that employer because at that time they lacked any in-house password manager and I foresaw from the outset that I would want to be able to hand them "my passwords" in the limited context of that employment as distinct from stuff like my personal Wikipedia account, my Google account and so on.
philwelch 5y ago
If I have a paper book of passwords at a desk in an open office environment, sure, that’s bad. If I have a paper book of passwords in a locked safe in a house, and there is perhaps a large German Shepard and multiple able-bodied adults living in that house, I’d say my password book is relatively secure. Besides, actually remembering your passwords is a security flaw, too. Memorable passwords are naturally less random, and if the password is in my mental memory, an attacker can compromise my password by smashing me over the kneecap with a heavy wrench until I tell them. If I don’t even know my password, that’s probably bad news for my kneecaps but slightly more secure overall.
- mark-r 5y ago
  https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
  - dennisgorelik 5y ago
    "Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets."
vangelis 5y ago
Write down your password. What's your threat model- Spies breaking into your house or some skiddie doing password stuffing?
GoblinSlayer 5y ago
You can improve security of the booklet with secret splitting: type the strong part from the booklet then keep typing "hunter2" from memory. The (strong) booklet part protects from machines, the (weak) remembered part protects from humans. Weak passwords are ineffective only against machines, they are still effective against humans.
- toomanybeersies 5y ago
  I suppose that typing "****" on the end of your passwords would work. Bit annoying to type out 7 asterisks every time though, maybe a word would be better?
toomanybeersies 5y ago
When my house got burgled, they didn't even bother taking my MacBook, let alone any real books. Your average burglar is looking for cash and items that can be quickly pawned, not corporate secrets. If someone did break into my house as an act of espionage (corporate or nation state), I'd be worried about much more than just my password security.

tialaramex 5y ago

That's correct, if bad guys broke into my home and accessed the book it would have been game over. Personally I would be much more concerned about other things - my stuff is there, not to mention often myself - but I'm sure that a vast faceless corporation would be primarily concerned with the potential for these hypothetical bad guys to learn and maybe disseminate secret passwords. How often do you think that actually happens? It's a bit... high risk for opportunistic "cyber criminals" don't you think? Figure out where key employees live, then break in and... look for passwords they've written down and then presumably use them quickly before they're invalidated.

KeepFlying 5y ago

Writing passwords down on paper is fine. Writing passwords down on paper and leaving that paper in an insecure area isn't. Your little address book full of passwords is the same as a password manager, and for a lot of people it's easier for them to manage the security of a booklet than it is to handle a password manager properly. And for those people, it's definitely worth using a book for the sake reasons we say using a password manager is a good idea

tialaramex 5y ago
I do actually use a password manager (zx2c4's pass) to manage my own passwords. But my mother has a book I purchased for her as an Xmas gift one year, for exactly the reason you described, I am confident she understands the security properties of a book, (e.g. a stranger left alone in a room with the book can read it) whereas I have my doubts with a password manager. I used a book for passwords issued by that employer because at that time they lacked any in-house password manager and I foresaw from the outset that I would want to be able to hand them "my passwords" in the limited context of that employment as distinct from stuff like my personal Wikipedia account, my Google account and so on.

philwelch 5y ago

If I have a paper book of passwords at a desk in an open office environment, sure, that’s bad. If I have a paper book of passwords in a locked safe in a house, and there is perhaps a large German Shepard and multiple able-bodied adults living in that house, I’d say my password book is relatively secure. Besides, actually remembering your passwords is a security flaw, too. Memorable passwords are naturally less random, and if the password is in my mental memory, an attacker can compromise my password by smashing me over the kneecap with a heavy wrench until I tell them. If I don’t even know my password, that’s probably bad news for my kneecaps but slightly more secure overall.

mark-r 5y ago
https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
- dennisgorelik 5y ago
  "Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets."

vangelis 5y ago

Write down your password. What's your threat model- Spies breaking into your house or some skiddie doing password stuffing?

GoblinSlayer 5y ago

You can improve security of the booklet with secret splitting: type the strong part from the booklet then keep typing "hunter2" from memory. The (strong) booklet part protects from machines, the (weak) remembered part protects from humans. Weak passwords are ineffective only against machines, they are still effective against humans.

toomanybeersies 5y ago
I suppose that typing "****" on the end of your passwords would work. Bit annoying to type out 7 asterisks every time though, maybe a word would be better?

toomanybeersies 5y ago

When my house got burgled, they didn't even bother taking my MacBook, let alone any real books. Your average burglar is looking for cash and items that can be quickly pawned, not corporate secrets. If someone did break into my house as an act of espionage (corporate or nation state), I'd be worried about much more than just my password security.