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> Autopilot simply won't accelerate like that, it won't reach the speeds observed. They said the same thing about the Toyota acceleration problem.

by ProAm 6y ago

ajross 6y ago
I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it seems poorly justified. Tesla autopilot and FSD footage is EVERYWHERE on youtube. If there was really some kind of anomalous acceleration problem surely someone would see it. There are all sorts of other persistent gripes about the system, but AFAIK rapid acceleration and overspeed simply hasn't been observed.
second--shift 6y ago
Didn't this turn out to be floor mats getting stuck under the accelerator?
- mimixco 6y ago
  That was a story Toyota used to evade investigation, which came later anyway.
mywittyname 6y ago
Which was never concluded to be a Toyota software issue. Then there's the pesky fact that a car needs like 1000HP to overpower the brakes on something like a modern Camry. So if people were actually pressing a brake pedal, which is physically connected to the hydraulic brake system, the car will stop. Yeah, they were successfully sued over it, but all that means is that they were probably responsible based on the information the jury was allowed to hear. And I believe much of the culpability came down to the fact that the floormats did actually move into the pedal box for that era Toyota (mine did it all the time, even post-recall).
- mimixco 6y ago
  If I remember correctly, they found many bugs in the Toyota software which could cause unintended acceleration and also could cause braking to be ignored. This report has some info: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_... PS: I had a Prius during this time. Even after selling it, without experiencing any acceleration issues, Toyota wrote me a $2k check to agree to never sue them.

> Autopilot simply won't accelerate like that, it won't reach the speeds observed. They said the same thing about the Toyota acceleration problem.

by ProAm 6y ago

> Autopilot simply won't accelerate like that, it won't reach the speeds observed. They said the same thing about the Toyota acceleration problem.

ajross 6y ago

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it seems poorly justified. Tesla autopilot and FSD footage is EVERYWHERE on youtube. If there was really some kind of anomalous acceleration problem surely someone would see it. There are all sorts of other persistent gripes about the system, but AFAIK rapid acceleration and overspeed simply hasn't been observed.

second--shift 6y ago

Didn't this turn out to be floor mats getting stuck under the accelerator?

mimixco 6y ago
That was a story Toyota used to evade investigation, which came later anyway.

mywittyname 6y ago

Which was never concluded to be a Toyota software issue. Then there's the pesky fact that a car needs like 1000HP to overpower the brakes on something like a modern Camry. So if people were actually pressing a brake pedal, which is physically connected to the hydraulic brake system, the car will stop. Yeah, they were successfully sued over it, but all that means is that they were probably responsible based on the information the jury was allowed to hear. And I believe much of the culpability came down to the fact that the floormats did actually move into the pedal box for that era Toyota (mine did it all the time, even post-recall).

mimixco 6y ago
If I remember correctly, they found many bugs in the Toyota software which could cause unintended acceleration and also could cause braking to be ignored. This report has some info: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_... PS: I had a Prius during this time. Even after selling it, without experiencing any acceleration issues, Toyota wrote me a $2k check to agree to never sue them.