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If the US and UK have the most open policies, it certainly doesn't show up in the statistics. Both have fewer foreign-born residents than is average for their

by derriz 6y ago

If the US and UK have the most open policies, it certainly doesn't show up in the statistics. Both have fewer foreign-born residents than is average for their region (North America and Western Europe respectively)[1]. And I don't think it's bigotry to point out that a central notion of Brexit and Trumpist nationalism is the belief that their respective countries have accepted far more immigrants than other countries. I'm more familiar with Brexitism - where xenophobic images and messages concerning immigrants were used liberally during the campaign.[2] Of course, it's possible that the US and UK have the most open immigration policies but then, to explain why they have proportionally fewer immigrants than their neighbours, this would require that they are less welcoming or desirable. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-s-anti-immigrant-poster-reported-police-over-claims-it-incites-racial-hatred-a7087801.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-...

blibble 6y ago
the difference in your list is minimal: the UK and US are within 2% of the first large/medium sized country on the list (Germany)
- derriz 6y ago
  The claim was that "the US and the UK have the most open immigration policies". If you have any statistics to support this claim, please provide a reference. The statistics I referred to (proportion of foreign born residents) seem to clearly indicate that this claim is untrue. And "within 2%" is a disingenuous response: why not say "below"? And why compare the percentages by absolute difference? A 2% difference when we're talking about proportions around the 15% level is significant.
  - blibble 6y ago
    it's not my claim, so I have no need to defend anything in terms of the G7, from your list we have: Canada (21.3%) Germany (15.7%) US (15.4%) UK (14.1%) France (12.8%) Italy (10.4%) Japan (2%) Canada and Japan are the outliers, not the US or the UK
    - derriz 6y ago
      This has gotten a bit bizarre. The OP made a claim that the US and the UK have the most liberal immigration policies. I responded that that doesn't seem to be case and provide OECD numbers which support my contention. You express disagreement - while re-quoting numbers which show that the US and UK do NOT have the most liberal immigration policies. I honestly don't know what you are arguing because nothing you've said has supported the original contention.

by derriz 6y ago

blibble 6y ago

the difference in your list is minimal: the UK and US are within 2% of the first large/medium sized country on the list (Germany)

derriz 6y ago
The claim was that "the US and the UK have the most open immigration policies". If you have any statistics to support this claim, please provide a reference. The statistics I referred to (proportion of foreign born residents) seem to clearly indicate that this claim is untrue. And "within 2%" is a disingenuous response: why not say "below"? And why compare the percentages by absolute difference? A 2% difference when we're talking about proportions around the 15% level is significant.
- blibble 6y ago
  it's not my claim, so I have no need to defend anything in terms of the G7, from your list we have: Canada (21.3%) Germany (15.7%) US (15.4%) UK (14.1%) France (12.8%) Italy (10.4%) Japan (2%) Canada and Japan are the outliers, not the US or the UK
  - derriz 6y ago
    This has gotten a bit bizarre. The OP made a claim that the US and the UK have the most liberal immigration policies. I responded that that doesn't seem to be case and provide OECD numbers which support my contention. You express disagreement - while re-quoting numbers which show that the US and UK do NOT have the most liberal immigration policies. I honestly don't know what you are arguing because nothing you've said has supported the original contention.