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Like the idea, but I'm confused how companies like: * Primer - Reach your leads everywhere * Andium - Digitizing the Oil & Gas Industry fit into the "problem

by klohto 6y ago

Like the idea, but I'm confused how companies like: * Primer - Reach your leads everywhere * Andium - Digitizing the Oil & Gas Industry fit into the "problems like climate change and food insecurity" bucket.

chmod775 6y ago
That's almost at the other end of the spectrum compared to what this site promises to deliver.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  The oil & gas industry likes to gaslight (ha) people into thinking they're fighting climate change, but it's a bizarre doublethink endeavour and they're mainly doing it for goodwill, government grants, and to levy more costs to the eventual consumers while reducing their own costs.
  - VieEnCode 6y ago
    Indeed, and when oil producing assets become increasingly stranded in the markets, the industry will not simply retire them at a loss. They will be sold on to buyers who face less regulatory oversight. When the oil companies are finally out of the hydrocarbon game, they will have built their platform upon the biggest set of externalised costs in history, and their old assets will still be polluting in new hands.
ramary 6y ago
Hi, Andium here. Definitely understand the skepticism about our work with the oil and gas industry and its impact on climate change. The high level is that the world doesn't know whether society has reached peak oil. Even if it has, oil consumption will continue to be a major contributor to planet warming gases (CO2 and CO2 equivalents) for decades to come. While regulation plays catch up and alternative energy usage continues to ramp up over the coming decades (something we support fully), we're working to reduce the carbon footprint of the oil and gas industry today. Our flare monitoring product in particular (https://andium.com/products/andium-flare-tracking https://andium.com/products/andium-flare-tracking) addresses the venting of methane at upstream wells, an issue that is gaining increasing regulatory traction in the US. - https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/biden-admins-methane-emission-curbs-exceed-obamas-epa-chief-2021-04-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/biden-admins-me... - https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/03/26/environmental-advocates-praise-adoption-of-final-methane-waste-rule/ https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/03/26/environmental-advoc...
- capableweb 6y ago
  To be honest, your homepage doesn't exactly give the impression you're a "saving the environment" company but rather you seem to be targeting businesses who wants to save costs. Here are some excerpts from your landing page (https://andium.com/ https://andium.com/): - "At Andium, we’re saving companies millions of dollars annually, while increasing safety" - "we offer an ecosystem of automated products and services that provide the next generation of remote monitoring capabilities" - "Increasing site visibility while reducing onsite time, manual labor, and human error equates to major cost savings, and saving our clients’ time and money is in our DNA" - "We've spent countless hours developing our technology and created the first-ever thermal imaging solution for safe, cost-effective tank-level management that has saved our clients millions at scale" If you're truly in the same bucket as "problems like climate change and food insecurity" problems, you probably want to update your core messaging across your website
  - boringg 6y ago
    I think realistically they are in the business of making O&G cheaper to extract through efficiencies that gain some climate merit (but very little). It's more like the limited climate benefit is an add-on to core business. The challenge in selling to O&G companies is they don't really care about climate initiatives. They do have concerns but its not their bread and butter there fore you have to package your sell in other ways such as cost efficiency.
    - kthejoker2 5y ago
      Very late to this discussion, but O&G absolutely cares about sustainability and climate change ... because there are a ton of activist investors who care about it. So they have to "put on their Sunday best" or they get shellacked in socially responsible index fund investor calls and press.
    - ramary 6y ago
      > I think realistically they are in the business of making O&G cheaper to extract through efficiencies that gain some climate merit (but very little). It's more like the limited climate benefit is an add-on to core business. Respectfully, this is not the business we are in, but I understand how our current messaging could convey it that way. That being said, there is a strong incentive to build products that both address climate pollution and reduce costs. It's a fine line and one that we think about constantly at the company.
tndl 6y ago
Thanks for the feedback, I made some updates. Don't know how Primer slipped through...
Tomminn 6y ago
Oh, they're making the world a better place [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUAJVKlUZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUAJVKlUZQ

by klohto 6y ago

chmod775 6y ago

That's almost at the other end of the spectrum compared to what this site promises to deliver.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
The oil & gas industry likes to gaslight (ha) people into thinking they're fighting climate change, but it's a bizarre doublethink endeavour and they're mainly doing it for goodwill, government grants, and to levy more costs to the eventual consumers while reducing their own costs.
- VieEnCode 6y ago
  Indeed, and when oil producing assets become increasingly stranded in the markets, the industry will not simply retire them at a loss. They will be sold on to buyers who face less regulatory oversight. When the oil companies are finally out of the hydrocarbon game, they will have built their platform upon the biggest set of externalised costs in history, and their old assets will still be polluting in new hands.

ramary 6y ago

Hi, Andium here. Definitely understand the skepticism about our work with the oil and gas industry and its impact on climate change. The high level is that the world doesn't know whether society has reached peak oil. Even if it has, oil consumption will continue to be a major contributor to planet warming gases (CO2 and CO2 equivalents) for decades to come. While regulation plays catch up and alternative energy usage continues to ramp up over the coming decades (something we support fully), we're working to reduce the carbon footprint of the oil and gas industry today. Our flare monitoring product in particular (https://andium.com/products/andium-flare-tracking https://andium.com/products/andium-flare-tracking) addresses the venting of methane at upstream wells, an issue that is gaining increasing regulatory traction in the US. - https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/biden-admins-methane-emission-curbs-exceed-obamas-epa-chief-2021-04-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/biden-admins-me... - https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/03/26/environmental-advocates-praise-adoption-of-final-methane-waste-rule/ https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/03/26/environmental-advoc...

capableweb 6y ago
To be honest, your homepage doesn't exactly give the impression you're a "saving the environment" company but rather you seem to be targeting businesses who wants to save costs. Here are some excerpts from your landing page (https://andium.com/ https://andium.com/): - "At Andium, we’re saving companies millions of dollars annually, while increasing safety" - "we offer an ecosystem of automated products and services that provide the next generation of remote monitoring capabilities" - "Increasing site visibility while reducing onsite time, manual labor, and human error equates to major cost savings, and saving our clients’ time and money is in our DNA" - "We've spent countless hours developing our technology and created the first-ever thermal imaging solution for safe, cost-effective tank-level management that has saved our clients millions at scale" If you're truly in the same bucket as "problems like climate change and food insecurity" problems, you probably want to update your core messaging across your website
- boringg 6y ago
  I think realistically they are in the business of making O&G cheaper to extract through efficiencies that gain some climate merit (but very little). It's more like the limited climate benefit is an add-on to core business. The challenge in selling to O&G companies is they don't really care about climate initiatives. They do have concerns but its not their bread and butter there fore you have to package your sell in other ways such as cost efficiency.
  - kthejoker2 5y ago
    Very late to this discussion, but O&G absolutely cares about sustainability and climate change ... because there are a ton of activist investors who care about it. So they have to "put on their Sunday best" or they get shellacked in socially responsible index fund investor calls and press.
  - ramary 6y ago
    > I think realistically they are in the business of making O&G cheaper to extract through efficiencies that gain some climate merit (but very little). It's more like the limited climate benefit is an add-on to core business. Respectfully, this is not the business we are in, but I understand how our current messaging could convey it that way. That being said, there is a strong incentive to build products that both address climate pollution and reduce costs. It's a fine line and one that we think about constantly at the company.

tndl 6y ago

Thanks for the feedback, I made some updates. Don't know how Primer slipped through...

Tomminn 6y ago

Oh, they're making the world a better place [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUAJVKlUZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUAJVKlUZQ