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> It is beyond obvious that contact discovery in any major messenger or social network is facilitated by uploading all contacts from the user’s address book, wi

by kome 6y ago

> It is beyond obvious that contact discovery in any major messenger or social network is facilitated by uploading all contacts from the user’s address book, with all the implied drawbacks. Mass uploading contacts should be limited, like Telgram rightfully implemented. Signal should do the same. Also, for signal you have to give the list of your contacts. And you don't have with Telegram (and I didn't).

duckfang 6y ago
With Signal, it means your friends can rat you out by them sharing their address book.
- egberts1 6y ago
  Yeah, associativity remains an issue via Signal but the encryted-at-rest message content can be timed out at your interval.
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Actually, the general love for Signal on HN is puzzling to me. It's nothing more than yet another centralised silo not owned by the users. End-to-end encryption? I'd take federation over it any day.
- egberts1 6y ago
  there is always Matrix app. Some may argue that Matrix still a centralized server by the virtue of seeding your group info somewhere. But this seeding can be done via paper-only thereby it is still a true decentralized messaging server.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    No, there is always xmpp. Matrix is just an app, and we need a federated protocol. I think that Matrix will never have an alternative server implementation made by a competing party, which makes it's main selling point void.
    - egberts1 6y ago
      Manyverse (Sweden) app does Matrix well. But it’s design intent isn’t FEDERATION, not at all.
    - galbar 6y ago
      Matrix is not an app. It is a protocol. You can find the specification here: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ There are also multiple client and server implementations already. You can find them here: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/ https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/ There are also at least two companies offering homeserver hosting: https://matrix.org/hosting/ https://matrix.org/hosting/
      - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
        It is not a federated protocol. It is an app that has some internally developed protocol, which makes it hardly more than an app, really. As long as one for-profit company decides how it changes and evolves, it's nothing more than that.
        galbar 6y ago
        Maybe I'm missing something. What do you understand by federated protocol? As I understand it, Matrix seems to be an open protocol that supports federation. The open protocol part is evident by the extense documentation of the protocol specification that I linked in my previous message and by the fact that anyone can propose a change in the spec: https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ You can see how the protocol supports federation here: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/server_server/r0.1.4 https://matrix.org/docs/spec/server_server/r0.1.4 As for the organization governing the protocol, there is The Matrix.org Foundation: https://matrix.org/foundation/ https://matrix.org/foundation/ In the foundation page it states it is "a non-profit UK Community Interest Company, incorporated to act as the neutral guardian of the standard on behalf of the whole Matrix community"
        6y ago

by kome 6y ago

duckfang 6y ago

With Signal, it means your friends can rat you out by them sharing their address book.

egberts1 6y ago
Yeah, associativity remains an issue via Signal but the encryted-at-rest message content can be timed out at your interval.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

Actually, the general love for Signal on HN is puzzling to me. It's nothing more than yet another centralised silo not owned by the users. End-to-end encryption? I'd take federation over it any day.

egberts1 6y ago
there is always Matrix app. Some may argue that Matrix still a centralized server by the virtue of seeding your group info somewhere. But this seeding can be done via paper-only thereby it is still a true decentralized messaging server.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  No, there is always xmpp. Matrix is just an app, and we need a federated protocol. I think that Matrix will never have an alternative server implementation made by a competing party, which makes it's main selling point void.
  - egberts1 6y ago
    Manyverse (Sweden) app does Matrix well. But it’s design intent isn’t FEDERATION, not at all.
  - galbar 6y ago
    Matrix is not an app. It is a protocol. You can find the specification here: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ There are also multiple client and server implementations already. You can find them here: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/ https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/ There are also at least two companies offering homeserver hosting: https://matrix.org/hosting/ https://matrix.org/hosting/
    - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
      It is not a federated protocol. It is an app that has some internally developed protocol, which makes it hardly more than an app, really. As long as one for-profit company decides how it changes and evolves, it's nothing more than that.
      - galbar 6y ago
        Maybe I'm missing something. What do you understand by federated protocol? As I understand it, Matrix seems to be an open protocol that supports federation. The open protocol part is evident by the extense documentation of the protocol specification that I linked in my previous message and by the fact that anyone can propose a change in the spec: https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ You can see how the protocol supports federation here: https://matrix.org/docs/spec/server_server/r0.1.4 https://matrix.org/docs/spec/server_server/r0.1.4 As for the organization governing the protocol, there is The Matrix.org Foundation: https://matrix.org/foundation/ https://matrix.org/foundation/ In the foundation page it states it is "a non-profit UK Community Interest Company, incorporated to act as the neutral guardian of the standard on behalf of the whole Matrix community"
        6y ago