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Also reminds me of this old video (early 2000s) that shows what happens when you remove the heatsink. This is what cemented that image in my head of “AMD=cheap

by cm2187 6y ago

Also reminds me of this old video (early 2000s) that shows what happens when you remove the heatsink. This is what cemented that image in my head of “AMD=cheap knockoff” that AMD reversed only 2-3 years ago (and now I am trying to source an EPYC Milan!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk

kalleboo 6y ago
This exact video had a big impact on my impressions of those companies as well, it's pretty amazing how long those views last.
rasz 6y ago
What you probably never saw was the non-retraction retraction Tomshardware had to publish later, and buried so deep even archive.org doesnt have access anymore. Yes, they manually excluded the link from wayback machine :o Here is the whole story: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hot-spot,365-4.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hot-spot,365-4.html somehow still accessible under its original 2001 link unlike most of their old material, wonder why :) >"AMD did not bless the Thunderbird core with ANY thermal protection whatsoever." In reality AMD socket certification required thermal cutout, same as Intel for Pentium 3. AMD processors do include thermal diode just like Intel ones. >"Intel's older processor is also equipped with a thermal diode and a thermal monitoring unit" is a lie. Pentium 3 thermal throttling is performed by the Bios just like in Athlon case. Serendipitously tomshardware picked broken Siemens motherboard for AMD system as recommended by Intel, imagine that. They published a non-retraction catching Siemens in a lie and showing proper AMD setup safely shutting down. Of course you cant read it because its buried down, excluded from wayback machine and deadlinked http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html

by cm2187 6y ago

kalleboo 6y ago

This exact video had a big impact on my impressions of those companies as well, it's pretty amazing how long those views last.

rasz 6y ago

What you probably never saw was the non-retraction retraction Tomshardware had to publish later, and buried so deep even archive.org doesnt have access anymore. Yes, they manually excluded the link from wayback machine :o Here is the whole story: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hot-spot,365-4.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hot-spot,365-4.html somehow still accessible under its original 2001 link unlike most of their old material, wonder why :) >"AMD did not bless the Thunderbird core with ANY thermal protection whatsoever." In reality AMD socket certification required thermal cutout, same as Intel for Pentium 3. AMD processors do include thermal diode just like Intel ones. >"Intel's older processor is also equipped with a thermal diode and a thermal monitoring unit" is a lie. Pentium 3 thermal throttling is performed by the Bios just like in Athlon case. Serendipitously tomshardware picked broken Siemens motherboard for AMD system as recommended by Intel, imagine that. They published a non-retraction catching Siemens in a lie and showing proper AMD setup safely shutting down. Of course you cant read it because its buried down, excluded from wayback machine and deadlinked http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html